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    St. Louis Couple Draws Weapons To Protect Home: ‘We Were All Alone Facing an Angry Mob’

    St. Louis Couple Draws Weapons To Protect Home: ‘We Were All Alone Facing an Angry Mob’

    “A mob of at least 100 smashed through the historic wrought iron gates of Portland Place, destroying them, rushed towards my home where my family was having dinner outside and put us in fear of our lives.”

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    A couple in St. Louis made the rounds on social media on Sunday night after video showed them drawing their guns on a mob of protesters heading to Mayor Lyda Krewson’s home.

    The protesters headed to Krewson’s house “to demand her resignation after she released names and addresses of residents who suggested defunding the police department.”

    The man held the rifle while the woman held a smaller gun. Pictures show the woman pointing the gun at the protesters.

    The protesters broke through the gated community on their way to Krewson’s house. From KMOV4:

    The homeowner reached out to News 4 Monday morning saying he was havinf [sic] dinner with his family outside of his home when the crowd smashed through wrought iron gates on Portland Place.

    “A mob of at least 100 smashed through the historic wrought iron gates of Portland Place, destroying them, rushed towards my home where my family was having dinner outside and put us in fear of our lives,” he said. “This is all private property. There are no public sidewalks or public streets. We were told that we would be killed, our home burned and our dog killed. We were all alone facing an angry mob.”

    These people have every right to defend their property. But my dear friend Dana Loesch points out that if you have guns you need to know how to use them.

    The wife has no trigger discipline and she’s holding the gun all wrong. Also, you do not point your weapon at a target unless you would shoot said target.

    The best point Dana made is that the “one top responsibility when you’re armed is de-escalation.”

    But Dana also mentioned that it’s “weak sauce to act like marching through residential neighborhoods isn’t an escalation of tactics we’ve seen the past month where daytime protests diminish into nighttime riots (and sometimes in broad daylight, too) with businesses looted and burned, people attacked, and threats of going to people’s homes — this all coupled with Democrats’s new ‘defund the police’ policy.”

    Missouri recognizes the castle doctrine:

    Physical (non-deadly) force is considered justified when a person reasonably believes it’s necessary to defend themselves or someone else from an unlawful use of force by someone else. It may also be used if a person believes it’s necessary to prevent someone from committing theft, tampering or property damage.

    Deadly force may be justified under the law if a person reasonably believes it’s required to protect themselves or someone else from physical injury, death or forcible felony. It may also be used against someone who illegally enters a dwelling or vehicle.

    That brings us to what are known as “stand your ground” and “castle doctrine” laws. These laws, which vary by state, detail when a person has a duty to retreat and when they’re legally allowed to stay and fight, even if leaving the situation is an option.

    Each state has its own version of a castle doctrine. Missouri’s law:

    Missouri law recognizes the castle doctrine. That means that if someone comes into your home with the intention of harming you or someone else, you have the legal right to stay and use deadly force to prevent an attack. However, in Missouri, people also have no duty to retreat from their vehicles, any property they own or anywhere they’re entitled to be.

    There’s another situation in which a person may be legally within their rights to use force against someone to protect themselves or others. That’s if they can provide evidence that they were suffering from a psychological condition known as battered spouse syndrome. Long-term domestic violence victims sometimes develop battered spouse syndrome — also known as battered woman syndrome (BWS). They believe that they’re unable to leave their abuser. Sometimes they lash out physically because they think they have no other choice. In reality, they often don’t.

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    Weapons – there are so many choices that it can become overwhelming.

    12g Vs 20g shotgun. I have a 12g semi auto, 10 shots of 00buck will put a stop to a lot of nastiness. I have back up weapons. It is not what I recommend for the novice.

    For family including wife, especially when small in stature I would recommend a 20g shotgun with 22″ or shorter barrel in semi auto. Semi auto is lower felt recoil. Pump action is not for the untrained or in the heat of a home invasion. The 20g should be lighter in weight which makes it more maneuverable. Lighter weight increases felt recoil but light weight is more maneuverable. Practice, which is a requirement, is not going to happen with a heavy hard kicking 12g. You could go low recoil ammo in the 12, but that nixes a semi auto, which is what you desire IMO. Low recoil ammo will not properly cycle a semi auto and sometimes doesn’t work that well in a pump. 20g with #3 or #4 buck will do the job. While a 12g can use birdshot pretty effectively for home defense, I wouldn’t select it for a 20g. The current problem is finding ammo for either gauge, especially the 20g which is much more limited in selection.

    Training is required. Having a weapon for home protection is useless if you cannot use it in the heat of the moment. Only training will make that possible. Go to a range and hire a qualified instructor to spend an hour with your wife/other family. Cheap price for valuable instruction to get started. Then shoot for fun and education at the range until those that are going to use the weapon are comfortable with its use. Follow up with additional instruction as needed.

    Did I mention TRAINING?

    Be patient. The arms industry is stressed at the moment and finding what you want may take some time. Go to the range and practice with rentals until your order comes in.


     
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    texansamurai | June 30, 2020 at 11:57 am

    A properly made molotov cocktail will shatter the container if left to burn. Therefore, once lit, it must be gotten rid of. So, it’s a deadly weapon the moment it is lit – it has to go somewhere.
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    thank you for the clarification–only concern is throwing range–unlike a grenade/bangstick, etc. can’t really throw one overhand, more of a lob or(if skilled)perhaps a spiral throw similar to a football–either way, up close, say 20 metres or so–fair enough

    these folks in st louis were lucky–even with the lady firing, outnumbered 50 or so to 1–definitely took some cojones to step outside–good on them–a night confrontation would have been a different proposition indeed


     
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    DaveGinOly | June 30, 2020 at 3:13 pm

    Good article here about firearms and their ability to kill/incapacitate, the number of rounds it takes to have these effects, and percentages of failure to kill or incapacitate for different popular rounds.
    https://concealednation.org/2020/06/video-rioter-accidentally-catches-himself-on-fire-with-molotov-cocktail-in-fayetteville-nc/

    The upshot is that rifles (of all kinds lumped together) and the .357 magnum have the lowest failure-to-stop rates.

    Also noteworthy is this explanation of why even small caliber handguns have a high percentage of one-shot stops:
    In a certain (fairly high) percentage of shootings, people stop their aggressive actions after being hit with one round regardless of caliber or shot placement. These people are likely NOT physically incapacitated by the bullet. They just don’t want to be shot anymore and give up! Call it a psychological stop if you will. Any bullet or caliber combination will likely yield similar results in those cases. And fortunately for us, there are a lot of these “psychological stops” occurring. The problem we have is when we don’t get a psychological stop. If our attacker fights through the pain and continues to victimize us, we might want a round that causes the most damage possible. In essence, we are relying on a “physical stop” rather than a “psychological” one. In order to physically force someone to stop their violent actions we need to either hit him in the Central Nervous System (brain or upper spine) or cause enough bleeding that he becomes unconscious. The more powerful rounds look to be better at doing this.


       
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      alaskabob in reply to DaveGinOly. | June 30, 2020 at 4:53 pm

      Evan Marshall is the acknowledged expert on ammunition performance in real street outcomes and has published much on this. We are talking the classic “one shot stops”. The “gold standard” has been the 135 grain 357 Magnum. However, modern 9mm, 40 and 45 cal ammo produces 90-94% stops. This also means a hit to center of mass and not a peripheral hit.

      As the Muros of the Philippines showed… people heavily doped up can take a lot of lead if not well placed as it takes pulling the vascular or neurological plugs to drop someone with standard hits.


     
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    alaskabob | June 30, 2020 at 5:00 pm

    For those unlucky enough to live in state that ban or limit semi-autos, a good level action rifle with red dot is a good option. One in 357 mag, 45 Colt or 44 mag is good. Handy. I have a Win 94 Trapper in 45 Colt for just such as issue (in California).

    Rifles are artillery… handguns are infantry.


     
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    texansamurai | June 30, 2020 at 5:58 pm

    did not mean to stir-up a debate over 223/556 vs 30cal or larger regards ARs–in practically any shooting engagement, accuracy is the most important element, then power, then speed(cyclic rate)–one well-placed hit from a 30-30 is better than 2 dead misses from a 458–it’s all about what you can shoot accurately–not talking about scatterguns but rifles–next is power and by that mean knock-down power/muzzle energy which is a product of momentum–in this guy’s situation, as his lady has only a handgun, he’s essentially alone–he needs the most powerful weapon he can handle well and also one that’s capable of defeating body armor(if present)and providing one shot knockdowns/kills

    BSR made some excellent points as did Mac about 223/556 but just don’t have confidence in the 223/556 round to deliver one shot knockdowns/kills like i know a 30cal or larger WILL

    each his own, of course, but if you’re going to go outdoors into an uncontrolled environment(vs inside your home)would encourage you to take the largest cal weapon you can shoot well


       
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      Mac45 in reply to texansamurai. | June 30, 2020 at 8:58 pm

      All handheld weapons are a compromise. There are pros and cons to all platforms, calibers and cartridges in any situation.

      .223/5.56mm platforms are light, low recoil, have high onboard ammo capacity, are quick to reload and reasonably effective at ranges of 300 yards or less. For a suburban o urban outdoor defensive situation, they are a good choice for many people. However, as with many weapons and calibers certain myths have grown up around them. One of those is the effectiveness of individual bullet impacts for stopping human aggressive actions. But, if the operator is aware of the limitations of the platform and cartridge, then he, or she, can act to mitigate those limitations.

      .30 caliber is not a magic number. The power of the cartridge is also important. the .30 Carbine U.S. is more closely akin to the 5.56 NATO, inside 150 yards. Beyond that range, the 5.56mm is superior. However, the .308/7.62 NATO, the .30-06, the 7mm and 8mm Mauser and similar cartridges are much more effective than the 5.56mm beyond 300 yards and is effective out to 800 yards in most cases. But, it exhibits greater recoil and is heavier.

      The venerable shotgun is the most versatile weapon platform available. It is capable of using a wide range of ammunition, making it suitable for use against small game, birds in flight, human beings and medium sized animals. Its effective range is usually limited to about 100 yards and in most cases has a low onboard magazine capacity. It also usually has a greater recoil when using loads effective against human beings.

      Handguns are the usual weapon of choice for everyday defensive carry and interior defense. Because of their reduced size and power, they are more limited in outdoor defense situations, than long guns.

      It is important to know the limitations of both your tool and yourself. This the first leg of the effective self defense stool. To maximize the effectiveness of the tool that you choose, or have, to use, you have to be trained in practices and tactics which maximize that tool’s effectiveness. Practice is also required to use the tool in an effective manner. This is the second leg of the effective self defense stool. The last leg is knowledge of the laws pertaining to the use of force, especially deadly force, in lawful self defense.


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