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    Florida Naval Air Station Shooter a Saudi Aviation Student

    Florida Naval Air Station Shooter a Saudi Aviation Student

    Officials investigating if it is terrorism-related.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di1kNl6kjaI

    Authorities identified the shooter at the Pensacola, FL, Naval Air Station as Mohammed Saeed Alshamrani, a Saudi Arabia national.

    Alshamrani shot and killed three people at the station this morning:

    The shooter — who was wielding a handgun, despite firearms not being allowed on base — was confronted and taken out by a pair of responding officers, officials say. Two people were killed at the scene while a third victim died after being rushed to a local hospital. Seven others suffered injuries and are undergoing treatment, including the two officers, one of whom was shot in the arm and the other in the knee. Both are expected to survive.

    “The government of Saudi Arabia needs to make things better for these victims,” Gov. Ron DeSantis, R-Fla., who says he has spoken to President Trump about the shooting, told reporters during a press conference Friday afternoon. “They are going to owe a debt here given that this is one of their individuals.”

    “Anyone who serves in the Navy knows that this is a special place, Naval Air Station Pensacola,” DeSantis added. “All these brave warriors who wear the wings, they come through here for flight training. And so this is a dark day for a very great place.”

    The Associated Press reported officials have begun investigating if it was terrorism-related.

    The Naval Air Station hosts the Naval Education and Training Security Assistance Field Activity’s International Training Center. Cmdr. Bill Gibson, the man in charge, said in 2017 that placing “international students in our U.S. Navy training and culture helps build partnership capacity for both the present and for the years ahead.”

    The Navy confirmed people from Saudi Arabia make up “[T]he majority of the hundreds of students that have participated in the program.”

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    CommoChief | December 6, 2019 at 7:51 pm

    For what it’s worth my two cents from the perspective of someone who spent 16 months as an advisor with an Iraqi army infantry battalion.

    First, Insha Allah means the cultural/colloquially equivalent to ‘Lord willing’. As in the southern U.S. expression ‘Lord willing and the creeks don’t rise’. So the phrase itself isn’t much different than our own. That said, they view Christians as a ‘people of the book’s; one who follow what we call the Old Testament. However, because we do not follow the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad we are fair game to be lied to and deceived.

    IMO the Arab culture in general is very fatalistic and my personal view is that arises more from the obvious issues of desert life than Islam itself. The folks are far more devout than we are at least outwardly. What Islam has avoided is a reformation phase to try and square the circle of religious tensions between sects, with modernity and scientific evidence. We haven’t done a perfect job of that task either.

    Islamic national students. So, that’s a problem. We basically rely upon the Nation of origin to vet with minimal follow-up. Mostly this works out. As to the teaching and learning, the folks are not stupid by any means. They are heavily influenced by the culture the sprang from. The more upper class the more resistant to change and resistant to authority. Most of our Iraqi soldiers in Ramadi were farm boys from rural areas. The Iraqi officer class is more educated and cosmopolitan but only when compared to other Iraqis. In fact the Iraqis as a whole are looked at by the rest of the Arab world as poor relatives from the country.

    I can’t imagine the kind of issues that the Saudis bring to a classroom. They are kind of the Arab elite and getting them to recognize superior information and expertise from an instructor would be interesting to watch.

    Base security, guys that’s kind of a joke. As long as you have credentials you pass through the gate with almost zero possibility of a search. We ain’t going to search every vehicle and we are not going to search every vehicle containing a non-U.S. trainee. You can shout for that till you go horse but it ain’t happening.

    Firearms on base. Personally as long as the Service member or DoD civilian has passed a basic state level carry class and leaves it in their vehicle I am all for it. I would add that maybe arming the CQ and staff duty personal would provide a viable deterrent and a more rapid response time before the MP get on scene.


       
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      randian in reply to CommoChief. | December 6, 2019 at 9:33 pm

      Inshallah infects Islamic culture in a way that “Lord willing” doesn’t. Inshallah is the ultimate in fatalism. A Christian doesn’t stop maintaining their airplane because of “Lord willing”. If foreigners didn’t maintain the equipment the Saudi military would be DOA, because they are notoriously lax at doing weapons and vehicle maintenance. Because of inshallah.

      The upper classes are more resistant to change and authority (at least the non-Muslim kind) because they’re more educated in Islam than the peasantry. Islam forbids a non-Muslim from having authority over a Muslim. A Muslim can’t work for a Copt in Egypt, for example, and in any case infidels are lower than the dirt beneath your feet, so what do they have to teach you?

      You may have noticed that top Al Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood brass often have expensive medical or engineering educations. Universities in Muslim-majority countries have mandatory Islam and Quran classes. That’s why they’re terrorists, they don’t get the whitewashed hippy version of Islam propagandists peddle in Europe and the US.


         
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        CommoChief in reply to randian. | December 7, 2019 at 11:37 am

        Radiant,

        I base my opinion on the colloquial use of Insha Allah off the 47 months I spent in Muslim nations, particularly the 16 months I spent living with and fighting alongside an Iraqi light infantry battalion. That is how the Iraqis used the phrase. They had no problems performing vehicle and weapon maintenance provided they actually received materials through the supply chain. That is another huge issue, but a tribal/cultural issue not a religious one. The guy running the depot with the boots only has power as long as he keeps the boots. So he issues boots to his tribe and holds onto the rest awaiting bribes before he issues the rest.

        Iraqi culture is nuclear family vs cousins; extended family vs tribe; tribe vs nation, nation vs Arab neighbor states, Arab world vs everyone else. That is oversimplified but still accurate view.

        From my indirect understanding of Saudi’s the issue with maintenance is that the act of performing maintenance is beneath them. Very analogous to 18th century British officer class who purchased commissions in the army to the rank of LTC without regard to ability or merit. English gentleman were ‘natural soldiers’ who didn’t require training. I think the Saudis have a class problem related to maintenance not a religious one.

        Having said that, obviously the Madrassa system and the placating of the Wahabi elements by the Saudis government is an issue that’s biting them as well. I would simply urge you not to create an Islamic boogie man. There are Muslims who preach and practice hate and terror. The majority do not. So by all means we should vet and use profiling similar to what the Israeli government effectively uses instead of the feel good TSA. Just don’t try and lump all Muslims in one category while ignoring the large cultural differences between groups, nations and tribes.

    The products of public school education- or Muslims – cannot be trusted with weapons of any kind.

    That said: hold into yours as if your freedom depended on it: crazy women politicans and their corrupt beta male bitches are coming for them.


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