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    Trump Explains Why He Called Off Airstrike on Iran

    Trump Explains Why He Called Off Airstrike on Iran

    “Not proportionate to shooting down an unmanned drone.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHj45VR1Oa0

    Thursday night, at the last minute, Trump called off three strikes on Iran.

    Friday morning, Trump explained why he called off the strikes. As he tells it, he reasoned that the potential casualty rate would be too high, that the response was not proportionate to having a drone struck down, and that the US would continue to pursue sanctions as a means of cracking down, at least for the time being.

    In his own words:

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    Arminius | June 22, 2019 at 9:50 pm

    I’ve read a lot of idiotic commentary on Trump’s rationale. None more idiotic than Kellyanne Conway’s deranged husband, George, who hates Trump all the time no-matter what.

    He emotes on Twitter that if Trump didn’t realize this response to the drone shootdown was disproportionate until ten minutes before the strike then Trump needs to resign for lack of judgement.

    It should be obvious to any sane person why Trump would have made such an announcement. Since that clearly leaves out denizen let me use the smallest words possible to explain it.

    Trump wants the mullahs to think he is capable of such an act. He doesn’t want them to believe they can predict what he will do if they provoke him. So it’s best not to provoke him.

    Here’s the kind of thing the mullahs will do if they believe they know exactly what a US President will do in the face of the gravest provocation; mass murder on US soil. In the nation’s capitol no less. Because they know that other than begging for a nuclear deal and sending them billions of dollars in cash, like with his red lines in Syria Obama would have done worse than nothing had the Iranian agents pulled this off. He would have refused to link the Iranian government’s ties to the act.

    And of course denizen would have been fine with that.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/11/iranians-charged-us-assassination-plot

    “…A dangerous confrontation was developing on Tuesday between the US and Iran after the Obama administration directly blamed the Iranian governnment for an alleged plot to blow up the Saudi ambassador and scores of others at a Washington restaurant with the help of a Mexican drug cartel.

    The US attorney-general Eric Holder said Iran would be “held to account” over what he described as a flagrant abuse of international law. While the US says military action remains on the table, it is at present seeking instead to work through diplomatic and financial means to further isolate Iran.

    The US Treasury department immediately imposed sanctions against five individuals allegedly linked to the plot.

    Two men, one an an American-Iranian, Manssor Arbabsiar, 56, and Gholam Shakuri, an Iranian, have been charged in New York with the alleged “murder-for-hire” plot to pay a Mexican drug cartel to help assassinate Adel al-Jubeir, the Saudi ambassador and close confidante of the Saudi king.

    …According to the US justice department, the aim was to bomb a restaurant in Washington frequented by Jubeir with the possibility of a hundred or more bystanders being killed in the explosion. US officials said the Iranians put a $1.5m price tag on the assassination.”

    I suppose denizen if just fine with Iranian proxies Hezbollah and Hamas operating on our southern border with the Mexican drug cartels from Brownsville to San Diego as long as the Iranian operatives weren’t born until after 1979 or whatever his incoherent Occasional-Cortex style rant was supposed to mean.

    But note the Obama administration did nothing to hold the Iranian government to account. Obama’s treasury department linked five Iranian officials to the plot but refused to admit that no one in Iran would have authorized this without the “Supreme Leader’s” consent? This is right up there with the former administration’s hair-splitting about Hamas having a political and military wing as if there are two separate organizations within Hamas and some sort of barrier between the two. That’s ridiculous, but that’s the kind of mental gymnastics the Obama administration had to be willing to engage in to get their precious unenforceable, unmonitored, “on-your-honor, Iran,” nuclear abortion while turning a blind eye to everything else.

    denizen’s blather aside, no Iranian was going to die for what happened 40 years ago. They will die for what they’re doing now. denizen clearly values not knowing what he’s talking about because that would spoil the fun of going of on uninformed rants. But the drone was shot down by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. Whether 18 or 60 if an Iranian is or was a member of the IRGC (and the Baseej which can best be thought of as the part-time reserve force for the IRGC. The split between the regular Iranian forces and the IRGC can best be thought of as the split between the WWII Wehrmacht and the Waffen SS.

    I can just hear it now; the 1943 version of denizen making excuses for the members of the SS Totenkopfverbande (Death’s Head units) because they weren’t even born when Hitler tried to overthrow the government in his 1923 beer hall putsch in Munich and most weren’t old enough to vote when he became chancellor.

    I’m not going to even ask if denizen spent even a day in uniform. For two reasons; 1) anybody can say anything on the internet and 2) so what if he did? So did Bradley Manning and Johnny Walker “Red.”

    I get why Ilhan Omar hates America and it should be no mystery to anyone else. Tucker Carlson keeps asking. It’s an ideology called Islam that commands her to hate non-Muslims, and by extension countries ruled by non-Muslims. It is after all Islam that divides the world into Dar al Islam (the house of Islam) where Muslims rule and Dar al Harb (the house of war) where non-Muslims have not submitted to the rule of Islam. It amuses me that western pols keep insisting that we’re not at war with Islam. According to orthodox Islam, both Sunni and Shia, we are at war with Islam.

    Surah (chapter) 60 commands Muslims from the opening ayah (verse) not to love non-Muslims but that they are to hate Allah’s enemies as their own. Which is why Allah commands Muslims to follow Abraham’s example in verse 4 when he and his followers declare their hatred for their own people. In Abraham’s case he declares his “animosity and hatred forever” to his own father until he worships Allah alone.

    “There has already been for you an excellent pattern in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, “Indeed, we are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allah . We have denied you, and there has appeared between us and you animosity and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone” except for the saying of Abraham to his father, “I will surely ask forgiveness for you, but I have not [power to do] for you anything against Allah . Our Lord, upon You we have relied, and to You we have returned, and to You is the destination.”

    But Muslims are not to pray for non-Muslims, not even for Allah to enlighten them. According to the Quran and the ahadith collections Allah wants to fill hell with the souls of men and jinn (genies).

    The whole of chapter 9 is filled with exhortations to Muslims to hate non-Muslims, to violently subjugate the “people of the book” (Jews and Christians primarily) and that they are the instrument of Allah’s wrath in this life while hellfire is Allah’s instrument of wrath in the next. Surah 3:28 commands Muslims not to take non-Muslims as friends, for if they do they have turned their backs on Allah. But if they fear they are in danger from non-Muslims they can pretend to be friends with non-Muslims. The verse uses a form of the word taqqiyyah, which is Arabic for concealement, one of the four main forms of divinely approved lying to protect Islam and the ummah.

    Of course Ilhan Omar doesn’t show any gratitude to America. We haven’t accepted Allah and Muhammad as his prophet. She may not be particularly religious and I’m sure she never read the Quran as I’ve never met more than a few Muslims who grew up in the West (Omar got here when she was thirteen) who have. Gratitude? She’s supposed to hate us, not be grateful to us. Along with her virulent anti-Semitism (which is half the equation right there) she is supposed to revile us. She would have absorbed that much at least. Muslims don’t need to read the Quran or regularly attend Friday sermons at the Mosque (when the sheikh or Imam isn’t preaching that western women are prostitutes, pieces of “uncovered meat” as the former grand mufti of Australia put it, you can guarantee they’re preaching some other form of hate i.e. against non-Muslims) to absorb that much through osmosis.


     
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    Arminius | June 22, 2019 at 9:50 pm

    I’ve read a lot of idiotic commentary on Trump’s rationale. None more idiotic than Kellyanne Conway’s deranged husband, George, who hates Trump all the time no-matter what.

    He emotes on Twitter that if Trump didn’t realize this response to the drone shootdown was disproportionate until ten minutes before the strike then Trump needs to resign for lack of judgement.

    It should be obvious to any sane person why Trump would have made such an announcement. Since that clearly leaves out denizen let me use the smallest words possible to explain it.

    Trump wants the mullahs to think he is capable of such an act. He doesn’t want them to believe they can predict what he will do if they provoke him. So it’s best not to provoke him.

    Here’s the kind of thing the mullahs will do if they believe they know exactly what a US President will do in the face of the gravest provocation; mass murder on US soil. In the nation’s capitol no less. Because they know that other than begging for a nuclear deal and sending them billions of dollars in cash, like with his red lines in Syria Obama would have done worse than nothing had the Iranian agents pulled this off. He would have refused to link the Iranian government’s ties to the act.

    And of course denizen would have been fine with that.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/11/iranians-charged-us-assassination-plot

    “…A dangerous confrontation was developing on Tuesday between the US and Iran after the Obama administration directly blamed the Iranian governnment for an alleged plot to blow up the Saudi ambassador and scores of others at a Washington restaurant with the help of a Mexican drug cartel.

    The US attorney-general Eric Holder said Iran would be “held to account” over what he described as a flagrant abuse of international law. While the US says military action remains on the table, it is at present seeking instead to work through diplomatic and financial means to further isolate Iran.

    The US Treasury department immediately imposed sanctions against five individuals allegedly linked to the plot.

    Two men, one an an American-Iranian, Manssor Arbabsiar, 56, and Gholam Shakuri, an Iranian, have been charged in New York with the alleged “murder-for-hire” plot to pay a Mexican drug cartel to help assassinate Adel al-Jubeir, the Saudi ambassador and close confidante of the Saudi king.

    …According to the US justice department, the aim was to bomb a restaurant in Washington frequented by Jubeir with the possibility of a hundred or more bystanders being killed in the explosion. US officials said the Iranians put a $1.5m price tag on the assassination.”

    I suppose denizen if just fine with Iranian proxies Hezbollah and Hamas operating on our southern border with the Mexican drug cartels from Brownsville to San Diego as long as the Iranian operatives weren’t born until after 1979 or whatever his incoherent Occasional-Cortex style rant was supposed to mean.

    But note the Obama administration did nothing to hold the Iranian government to account. Obama’s treasury department linked five Iranian officials to the plot but refused to admit that no one in Iran would have authorized this without the “Supreme Leader’s” consent? This is right up there with the former administration’s hair-splitting about Hamas having a political and military wing as if there are two separate organizations within Hamas and some sort of barrier between the two. That’s ridiculous, but that’s the kind of mental gymnastics the Obama administration had to be willing to engage in to get their precious unenforceable, unmonitored, “on-your-honor, Iran,” nuclear abortion while turning a blind eye to everything else.

    denizen’s blather aside, no Iranian was going to die for what happened 40 years ago. They will die for what they’re doing now. denizen clearly values not knowing what he’s talking about because that would spoil the fun of going of on uninformed rants. But the drone was shot down by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. Whether 18 or 60 if an Iranian is or was a member of the IRGC (and the Baseej which can best be thought of as the part-time reserve force for the IRGC. The split between the regular Iranian forces and the IRGC can best be thought of as the split between the WWII Wehrmacht and the Waffen SS.

    I can just hear it now; the 1943 version of denizen making excuses for the members of the SS Totenkopfverbande (Death’s Head units) because they weren’t even born when Hitler tried to overthrow the government in his 1923 beer hall putsch in Munich and most weren’t old enough to vote when he became chancellor.

    I’m not going to even ask if denizen spent even a day in uniform. For two reasons; 1) anybody can say anything on the internet and 2) so what if he did? So did Bradley Manning and Johnny Walker “Red.”

    I get why Ilhan Omar hates America and it should be no mystery to anyone else. Tucker Carlson keeps asking. It’s an ideology called Islam that commands her to hate non-Muslims, and by extension countries ruled by non-Muslims. It is after all Islam that divides the world into Dar al Islam (the house of Islam) where Muslims rule and Dar al Harb (the house of war) where non-Muslims have not submitted to the rule of Islam. It amuses me that western pols keep insisting that we’re not at war with Islam. According to orthodox Islam, both Sunni and Shia, we are at war with Islam.

    Surah (chapter) 60 commands Muslims from the opening ayah (verse) not to love non-Muslims but that they are to hate Allah’s enemies as their own. Which is why Allah commands Muslims to follow Abraham’s example in verse 4 when he and his followers declare their hatred for their own people. In Abraham’s case he declares his “animosity and hatred forever” to his own father until he worships Allah alone.

    “There has already been for you an excellent pattern in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, “Indeed, we are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allah . We have denied you, and there has appeared between us and you animosity and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone” except for the saying of Abraham to his father, “I will surely ask forgiveness for you, but I have not [power to do] for you anything against Allah . Our Lord, upon You we have relied, and to You we have returned, and to You is the destination.”

    But Muslims are not to pray for non-Muslims, not even for Allah to enlighten them. According to the Quran and the ahadith collections Allah wants to fill hell with the souls of men and jinn (genies).

    The whole of chapter 9 is filled with exhortations to Muslims to hate non-Muslims, to violently subjugate the “people of the book” (Jews and Christians primarily) and that they are the instrument of Allah’s wrath in this life while hellfire is Allah’s instrument of wrath in the next. Surah 3:28 commands Muslims not to take non-Muslims as friends, for if they do they have turned their backs on Allah. But if they fear they are in danger from non-Muslims they can pretend to be friends with non-Muslims. The verse uses a form of the word taqqiyyah, which is Arabic for concealement, one of the four main forms of divinely approved lying to protect Islam and the ummah.

    Of course Ilhan Omar doesn’t show any gratitude to America. We haven’t accepted Allah and Muhammad as his prophet. She may not be particularly religious and I’m sure she never read the Quran as I’ve never met more than a few Muslims who grew up in the West (Omar got here when she was thirteen) who have. Gratitude? She’s supposed to hate us, not be grateful to us. Along with her virulent anti-Semitism (which is half the equation right there) she is supposed to revile us. She would have absorbed that much at least. Muslims don’t need to read the Quran or regularly attend Friday sermons at the Mosque (when the sheikh or Imam isn’t preaching that western women are prostitutes, pieces of “uncovered meat” as the former grand mufti of Australia put it, you can guarantee they’re preaching some other form of hate i.e. against non-Muslims) to absorb that much through osmosis.


     
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    Arminius | June 22, 2019 at 9:54 pm

    I have no idea how I managed to make a duplicate comment.

    But it gives me the opportunity to comment on Iran’s claim that Trump tried to send a “back-channel” communique to Iran asking for talks.

    That’s a joke. Not that I doubt the story. But he’s said the same thing publicly several times. It’s not like Iran is divulging some state secret.


     
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    Milhouse | June 24, 2019 at 2:58 am

    I bet Trump never intended the strikes to go ahead. The whole thing was a demonstration to the mullahs of how serious he is. He intended to to scare them, and he did.


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