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    If Roy Moore wins, thank Gloria Allred and Al Franken

    If Roy Moore wins, thank Gloria Allred and Al Franken

    Unless more comes out, it’s likely Moore will outlast the accusations.

    Based on the present state of affairs, and assuming there are no further revelations, it looks like Roy Moore will outlast the outrage over the accusations, which he denies, that he molested a 14-year-old girl and assaulted a 16-year-old girl almost 40 years ago. Those serious accusations of criminality have been conflated in the media with non-criminal accusations that Moore dated teenage girls of legal age.

    I say “assuming there are no further revelations” because I would not be shocked if more comes out. Moore’s wife complained that the Washington Post is calling everyone the two of them have known for the past several decades, and certainly other major media are conducting similar searches. So what follows assumes there are no new accusers, and no additional evidence to support the current accusations.

    If there was a turning point in Roy Moore’s political fortunes, it was the press conference Gloria Allred held with accuser Beverly Nelson, who emotionally described what she said was a sexual assault behind a diner at which she worked.

    That press conference gave Moore two things he needed politically: a chance to make Allred an issue in the campaign, and a piece of physical evidence to attack, the handwriting in the yearbook.

    That handwriting, which Allred and Nelson said was Moore’s, is disputed by the Moore campaign, and at least superficially it raises questions. As I noted even before the Moore campaign raised the issue, a proper forensic examination of the document requires examination of the original. The Moore campaign has requested an immediate independent examination. That’s the argument Moore’s attorney’s made a day later.

    But Allred has refused so far to subject the yearbook to an independent examination, unless done at a Senate hearing, which isn’t going to happen. Allred also refused to declare the signature authentic. Perhaps Allred secretly is having the yearbook examined and will hold a press conference with a qualified document examiner to declare authenticity, but that doesn’t look likely at the moment.

    All Moore needs to do politically is to call the accusations into question, to raise doubts, to turn it into a 40-year-old he said/she said dispute. The yearbook that was declared by the media to be proof of Moore’s guilt now has become that cloud obscuring possible guilt.

    https://twitter.com/MooreSenate/status/932954077369073664

    Given the questions about the yearbook handwriting, it’s not surprising that Moore’s team has focused it’s attacks on the Nelson story. News5 reports, Roy Moore Campaign Attempts To Debunk Accuser’s Claims:

    After nearly two weeks of sexual assault allegations from several women, Republican U.S. Senate Candidate Roy Moore attempted to debunk claims from one of his accusers Beverly Young-Nelson.

    Moore’s campaign sent the following in a press release:

    GADSDEN, Ala. – On Monday evening, the Moore Campaign unveiled statements from key witnesses that completely bust the story of Beverly Nelson and Gloria Allred and further reveal an unconscionable bias on the part of state and national press to hide the truth from Alabama voters who will undoubtedly see through the “fake news” and elect Judge Moore for the man that they have always known him to be.

    • According to a former waitress, Olde Hickory House required employees to be 16 years old. Nelson claims she was 15 when she started.
    • According to two former employees, the dumpsters were on the side of the building. Nelson claimed that they were in the back.
    • Olde Hickory House sat right off of the four-lane highway and had a wrap-around porch with lights all around it. Nelson claimed that the surroundings were “dark and isolated.” 
      Rhonda Ledbetter, who worked at Olde Hickory House for almost 3 years, states that the earliest it closed was at 11 p.m. but she believes it was open until midnight. She is certain it did not close at 10:00 because Goodyear was next door, and employees came to eat when their shift ended at 10 p.m. Nelson claims her story occurred after the restaurant closed at 10 p.m.
    • It is unlikely that there was an entrance from the back of the parking lot, which Nelson claimed existed. Multiple sources have claimed that everyone parked on the sides of the building because there wasn’t much room behind the restaurant, according to Rhonda not enough room to turn around. Renee Schivera stated that a neighborhood backed up to the parking lot and it was adjacent to the backyards of people’s houses, so she did not see how there would have been a back entrance as it would have gone through someone’s yard.
    • Nelson claimed that Judge Roy Moore came in almost every night and sat at the counter, but former employees state that customers at the counter were served by the bartender or short order cook – not served by the waitresses and had no reason to interact with the wait staff. Additionally, two former waitresses and two former patrons state they never saw Judge Moore come into the restaurant.
    • These witnesses have shared their testimony with multiple news outlets. The outlets have failed to report.

    Whether these defenses are persuasive were this case to go to trial is not the standard. Moore politically only needs to raise doubts.

    Moore’s absolute denials combined with the cloud his team has created gave enough cover that Trump gave a non-endorsement almost-endorsement today:

    A second turning point was the accusations, with photo proof, against Democrat Senator Al Franken.

    http://www.kabc.com/2017/11/16/leeann-tweeden-on-senator-al-franken/

    The Franken scandal took the wind out of the attacks on Moore. Now with John Conyers in the spotlight for settling sexual harassment claims, it’s “a pox on all their houses” atmosphere. That only helps Moore.

    The polling initially swung to the Democrat Doug Jones in the days after the accusations were aired, but now the polls have swung back. AL.com reports on the latest polls released today:

    Three weeks before election day, two Alabama Senate polls released Tuesday illustrated different pictures of the race between Democrat Doug Jones and Republican Roy Moore.

    One poll commissioned by Raycom News Network in Alabama had the race in a statistical tie with Moore holding a 2-point lead while a poll released by Moore-friendly Breitbart News showed him with a 6-point lead.

    Moore held an 11-point lead in a Raycom poll released the day before The Washington Post published allegations by women who said that, when they were teens, Moore made unwanted sexual and romantic overtures.

    Moore has repeatedly denied the allegations.

    The Raycom poll had Moore with 47 percent of the vote, Jones with 45 percent, 5 percent undecided and 3 percent planning to cast write-in votes. Raycom said 3,000 likely voters were surveyed by Mobile-based Strategy Research and that the poll has a margin of error of 2 percent. The Raycom story did not say when the poll was conducted.

    When asked “what do you think about the allegations made against Roy Moore,” 45% believe all or some of the allegations; 34% do not believe the allegations; and 21% believe some or all of the allegations, but say it has not changed their vote, according to Raycom.

    Assuming nothing more comes out, it’s likely Roy Moore will win the Alabama Senate special election. And you will have Gloria Allred and Al Franken to thank, or blame.

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    Ragspierre | November 22, 2017 at 10:40 am

    Denials should matter, and accusations absent additional evidence should invite skepticism. But the upshot here is that alleged miscreants should simply deny rather than admit wrongdoing and apologize.

    According to this logic, Bill Clinton deserved the benefit of every doubt until he was finally forced by the evidence to admit (some of) his misdeeds.

    Worse, implicit to the White House argument is that on-the-record testimony from victims doesn’t count as evidence, even when corroborated by testimony from confidantes.

    But the most dangerous and corrupting force in all of this is not the weaponization of bad behavior, but the weaponization of hypocrisy. The pastor Franklin Graham even argues that the real villains are Moore’s critics, who “are guilty of doing much worse than” what Moore has supposedly done.

    This obsession with hypocrisy leads to a repugnant immorality. In an effort to defend members of their team, partisans end up defending the underlying behavior itself. After all, you can be a hypocrite only if you violate some principle you preach.

    If you ditch the principle, you can dodge the hypocrisy charge. We’re seeing this happen in real time with some of Moore’s defenders, just as we saw it with Clinton’s in the 1990s.

    We’ll sort it all out eventually, but not before it gets even uglier.
    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/453974/sexual-harassment-allegations-will-get-uglier

    Yep. As I’ve said. Again. It’s all tribal. And it’s all amazingly immoral.


       
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      Mac45 in reply to Ragspierre. | November 22, 2017 at 11:45 am

      You were on a roll, until you got to the third paragraph.

      You pay lip service to the concept that denial carry as much weight as accusations, sans verifiable evidence of truth. And, Bill Clinton did, in fact, deserve to be believed, every bit as much as his accusers, until such time as sufficient evidence was produced to verify their claims against him. This did, in fact, happen, and the true miscarriage of justice in the Clinton cases was that this evidence was largely ignored. Then you immediately make the assumption that everyone accused is guilty, should accept responsibility for an unproven accusation of behavior and apologize. Incredible.

      In the Moore case, we have the classic strategy of any legal defense to allegations based solely upon testimonial evidence unsupported by empirical facts in evidence; impeachment of the witness and his, or her, testimony. And, in the Moore case, several inconsistencies have already been identified in the accounts of both Corfman and Nelson. Corfman’s “supporting witnesses” have provided little detail to support Corfman’s claims. Moore’s “pattern of behavior”, which you lov to hype, pictures Moore as a man who, while dating women near the age of 18, did so in a public setting and was kind and considerate during their contacts.

      What you are doing is viewing all “evidence” in a manner which is not just the most favorable for your position, but which is so warped as to be unrecognizable.

      Now, in other cases, such as Franken, Conyers, Rangel and others, partisan support immediately exonerates these people from any wrong doing which should be punished in any way even when incontrovertible evidence exists that the behavior charged occurred. It has long been a tactic of the liberal/Progressives that and acknowledgement of the act and an apology are sufficient punishment for liberal offenders. This is not true where more conservative offenders are concerned.


         
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        MarkSmith in reply to Mac45. | November 22, 2017 at 12:53 pm

        The Jacobin cat loving Rags must not of seen the movie Primary Colors. Lets talk about hypocrisy.

        “Primary Colors is a 1998 film based on the novel Primary Colors: A Novel of Politics, a roman à clef about Bill Clinton’s first presidential campaign in 1992”

        I also suggest the War Room

        “The War Room is a 1993 American documentary film about Bill Clinton’s campaign for President of the United States during the 1992 presidential election.”

        After that, we can talk about sleazy campaigning.

        The allegations against Moore are pretty weak. Clinton’s approach was pretty obvious and they even made a movie about it. The liberals actually make fun of the immoral liberals like Clinton and put it in movies then scream about Moore.

        Rags does not have an argument about denial until something strong comes out. Haven’t seen it yet and considering how much power and money the media and liberals have, we would have seen it. Either it is not there or they are too stupid to figure it out.

        I think someone watched American Beauty and decided to use it for a script for this.


         
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        MarkSmith in reply to Mac45. | November 22, 2017 at 12:55 pm

        You forgot to mention Barney Franks, but gay guys get a pass.


       
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      MarkSmith in reply to Ragspierre. | November 22, 2017 at 1:14 pm

      I read the NRO article and it is BS.

      “Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore is credibly accused by nine women of preying on teenagers, one as young as 14.”

      Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/453974/sexual-harassment-allegations-will-get-uglier

      Credibly accused? Sure, I am still waiting for that!

      NRO lost me several years ago. George Wills is a total bust. After reading this, I rank them right up there with Huffington Post.

      WFB was out of his mind near the end, including pissing out of the back door of moving cars. There are still a few good ones over there like Mark Steyn, Thomas Sowell and Dinesh D’Souza

      Irving Kristol is the father of Neo-Cons which have been hijacked by Globalist. NRO is not true to it founding. Too bad NRO has lost it way from Irving Kristol and early WFB.


       
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      neanderthal in reply to Ragspierre. | November 22, 2017 at 2:45 pm

      Sorry, not buying the Bill Clinton comparison. Clinton was well-known for womanizing, his campaign was on the lookout for the “bimbo eruptions” — how woke of them — they were sure were coming, and he didn’t even get far into the primary before he had to overcome the Genniver Flowers accusations.

      In short, there was plenty of evidence to suggest this kind of behavior was likely. Anyone denying that is just not honest.

      So far, Franken hasn’t been accused of anything criminal. But what he has been accused of is supported by direct evidence. Again, no comparison.

      By contrast, even the criminal accusations against Moore are completely unsupported by any independent evidence or known pattern of behavior. That’s why WaPo tried to manufacture a pattern of behavior by stories about him dating young girls who were barely old enough to be dating him. But there’s a huge difference between dating a girl of legal age, and dating or assaulting a minor of 14. That difference is a felony charge of statutory rape.

      I think they tried to frame the story by painting Roy Moore as a Harvey Weinstein type, but there again, there was overwhelming evidence that Weinstein was guilty of scummy behavior. That evidence is still lacking on Moore.

    The worst part of this whole incident for me has been watching formerly esteemed people on the right throw their credibility away with their support for the rule of law.

    If they will surrender this easily, they cannot be trusted to represent us against habitual liars.

    The yearbook does not need to be examined, thanks to CNN’s helpful tweet of a high resolution closeup of the yearbook message.

    Without a doubt it has been tampered with. Here is the tweet in question. Even a 5 year old would notice that the color of the ink is not consistent.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/CNN/status/930205088299257859/photo/2

    And see here for another analysis of the photo that shows it was tampered with.

    https://twitter.com/j_wizzles/status/933394003306958858


     
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    MarkSmith | November 22, 2017 at 2:04 pm

    Since we are on media credibility – Just reported:

    The New York Times, the Wall Street Journal & Reuters ALL published essentially the SAME story on the SAME day. Each took the same prepackaged story from a political comms shop, either #FusionGPS or another firm.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/929807568645521410

    I noticed versions of the same story in the WSJ and WAPO several years ago. WJS is not what it use to be and WAPO is ten times worst.

    Must be all this Globalist outsourcing, eh?


     
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    gourdhead | November 22, 2017 at 4:16 pm

    This is a straight up hit job by POS Bitch McConnell. I hope Judge Moore prevails.


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