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    Scarborough: Trump Will Blow GOP Apart—W Last Republican Prez

    Scarborough: Trump Will Blow GOP Apart—W Last Republican Prez

    Scarborough: Trump ‘in a sense, the first independent president’

    Is the party—the Republican party, that is—over? That’s what Joe Scarborough is predicting. On today’s Morning Joe, Scarborough surmised that “Donald Trump, by the end, will blow apart the Republican party” and that people are “going to look at George W. Bush as the last Republican president.”

    Scarborough depicted Trump as “in a sense, the first independent president.” Joe also suggested that Bernie Sanders might have the same party-demolishing impact on the Democrats.

    JON MEACHAM: Joe, what do you think about this? Jeremy [Peters, of the NYT] said [Trump] is not a conservative president. It’s true. He’s a Republican president. Is he going to be a Republican president or is he a president who used the Republican party as a vehicle to power?

    MIKA BRZEZINSKI: We will find out.

    JOE SCARBOROUGH: Yes.

    UNIDENTIFIED PANELIST: A transactional president.

    MIKA: I think a little bit of both.

    JOE: I think that actually he —

    MIKA: Look at his cabinet.

    JOE: He is, in a sense, and people will look back — because I believe the parties — we’ve talked about this a lot before. I think the 150-year duopoly is over, and I think people will look over the past ten years and see how power in the House has switched back and the Senate and the presidency switched every two years as the beginning of the end for the two parties. I think people are going to still look at George W. Bush as the last Republican president.

    MIKA: Yeah.

    JOE: I think Donald Trump, by the end, will blow apart the Republican party and you may have Bernie Sanders doing the same. I mean, don’t you think so? I think actually, in a sense, this guy is the first independent president.

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    It’s really getting to be very painful to read Ragspierre’s posts. I truly hope he gets some help for himself before his hatred destroys him.


     
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    Henry Hawkins | January 16, 2017 at 4:39 pm

    Trump:

    “We’re going to have insurance for everybody. There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”

    I don’t know how you interpret that other than if you can’t pay for it, you will still get it. Paid for by whom? Mexico?

    More Trump:

    People covered under Obamacare “can expect to have great health care. It will be in a much simplified form. Much less expensive and much better.”

    Ah, there it is. This suggests a return to pre-Obamacare status, when health insurance and medical care costs were rising fast enough to make half of America hope that changes brought by Obamacare would solve it. Oops.

    This sounds like a trial balloon for ‘Trumpcare’ where we return to pre-Obamacare and pay for our own insurance at rates cheaper than exorbitant Obamacare mandates and rates, but far from reasonable, and they will escalate quickly, as they did before Obamacare. This is a political solution only, a Forward To The Past plan.


       
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      Ragspierre in reply to Henry Hawkins. | January 16, 2017 at 4:54 pm

      People…“can expect to have great health care. It will be in a much simplified form. Much less expensive and much better.”

      The same old conflation of “insurance” with “care” as under ObamaDoggle.

      And, like I said above, “insurance” for everyone is NOT insurance. It’s a lie.

      It’s going to be a long, dark era… And one marked by MORE skyrocketing debt if this is a valid portent.


         
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        Henry Hawkins in reply to Ragspierre. | January 16, 2017 at 5:28 pm

        I think/hope this is just a trial balloon to determine what Trump/Congress can get away with. Repealing Obamacare is the easy part, *effectively* replacing it is hard. Note the weasel wording:

        People covered under Obamacare “CAN EXPECT TO HAVE great health care.”

        Not will have, but can “expect” to have. How Clintonesque! It sounds like fulfillment of those expectations will come from one’s own pocket, at rates that beat skyrocket-high Obamacare rates in comparison, but will remain way too high.

        “It will be in a much simplified form. Much less expensive and much better.”

        Simpler and less expensive than Obamacare is no bargain. This is a very low bar to set.

        There’s not enough info in Trump’s words (likely by design) to determine if he intends essential single party pay – a full government takeover, and something he’s advocated before – or moving Forward To The Past of consumer self-pay at rates that seem better only when compared to exorbitant Obamacare rates, but are no bargain, no solution at all, because rates will rise very quickly.


         
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        Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | January 16, 2017 at 5:45 pm

        “WE don neeed no steeekin’ trial balloons…”

        As I pointed out the other day, the way forward is simple.

        Not “easy”. Simple.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6_lOqiRvCw

        The RIGHT ANGLE boys discuss just how easily ObamaDoggle can…and should…be replaced.

        Pay particular attention to the points made about how free markets work…so surpassingly well…whenever you let them, and how simple letting them work really is.

        Really, all it takes is moral courage and conservative principles.


           
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          Henry Hawkins in reply to Ragspierre. | January 16, 2017 at 5:57 pm

          “Really, all it takes is moral courage and conservative principles.”

          Your argument that the solution is simple, not easy, is identical to mine that it’s neither simple nor easy, lol. Moral courage and conservative principles are not to be found in DC, not now, and not after January 20th.


             
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            Ragspierre in reply to Henry Hawkins. | January 16, 2017 at 6:51 pm

            Or even here. As is obvious by the turd-swirl of haters/suckers of T-rump I constantly “enjoy”.

            Heh…!!!


             
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            MarkSmith in reply to Henry Hawkins. | January 17, 2017 at 12:59 pm

            Jacobin Rags, I think you really need to seek help. It really sounds like you just can’t accept Trump as President and will work that mind of yours in to making things something that they are not. This has to be the worlds longest temper tantrum, but then again.

            We understand you don’t like Trump
            We understand you have perceived notions about him and you are not will to accept other opinions except those that are the same as yours.
            We understand that when you don’t get your way you yell liar
            We understand that you wanted Ted Cruz to win the primary.
            We understand that you think you are smarter than anyone else.

            Its time to look forward since you can’t go back. “I told you so” does not mean a darn thing.

            Good luck on getting help because this threat there about about the GOP redefining itself and apparently you liked the old model which has not worked.


             
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            Ragspierre in reply to Henry Hawkins. | January 17, 2017 at 1:21 pm

            Wow.

            Not even coherent. Being drunk before noon and STOOOOOOOOPID is no way to go through life.

            My “perceived notions” are quotes from Der Donald, you stupid, lying sack of filth.

            I don’t give a good shit about the lying, rationalizing, delusional “opinions” of others.

            Sue me. Please.


             
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            MarkSmith in reply to Henry Hawkins. | January 17, 2017 at 1:39 pm

            It appears you have already been sued at least once.
            Grow-up


             
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            Ragspierre in reply to Henry Hawkins. | January 17, 2017 at 1:53 pm

            “It appears…”???

            Be clear, you sniveling coward. Where does it “appear”?

            Step up. Put up.


     
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    dunce1239 | January 16, 2017 at 7:24 pm

    The GOP dug their own grave, Trump is the leader of the Grand New Party. The old party was the tax and spend party just like the democrats.


     
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    Ragspierre | January 17, 2017 at 8:29 am

    http://hotair.com/archives/2017/01/16/pew-share-of-republicans-who-think-feds-should-make-sure-all-have-health-coverage-up-13-points-since-last-year/

    The REAL “T-rump Effect”. Just like eminent domain and anything else conservative. As soon as T-rump says a word against the idea, the personality slaves fall in line.


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