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    Dan Rather Lectures Kellyanne Conway on “Facts and Truth”

    Dan Rather Lectures Kellyanne Conway on “Facts and Truth”

    Self-awareness Fail Alert

    From the man who brought us “fake but accurate” . . . Dan Rather is possibly the living person least entitled to pontificate about the importance of truth in journalism and politics. So naturally, Chris Matthews invited him on this evening’s Hardball to do just that. Hat tip Colleen B.

    In criticizing Kellyanne Conway’s use of the term “alternative facts” to explain White House spokesman Sean Spicer’s comments while addressing the press this past Saturday, Rather said: “facts, and the truth . . . are at the very foundation of our democracy.”

    Rather gave examples of indisputable facts: there’s snow in Alaska and sand in Saudi Arabia. Right: and a fabricated document is a fabricated document.

    Matthews began by playing a clip of Conway’s appearance on Meet the Press.

    CHUCK TODD: You did not answer the question of why the president asked the White House press secretary to come out in front of the podium for the first time and utter a falsehood. Why did he do that? It undermines the credibility of the entire White House press office on day one.

    KELLYANNE CONWAY: Don’t be so overly dramatic about it, Chuck. You’re saying it’s a falsehood and they’re giving, Sean Spicer, our press secretary, gave alternative facts to that. But the point is —

    TODD: Alternative facts? Alternative facts: four of the five facts he uttered.
    CONWAY: Hey Chuck, hey Chuck —

    TODD: Four of the five facts he uttered are just not true. Look: alternative facts are just not facts. They’re falsehoods.

    CHRIS MATTHEWS: Dan, there’s a new phrase, and I think Kellyanne is as smart as a whip. I think that one was a mistake. That one was a strike-out. Because somebody, I might as well do it: somebody’s going to do it: alt-facts. It’s not even going to be “alternative.” It’s going to be “alt-facts.” And you know what that means. That’s coming.

    DAN RATHER: To say it was unfortunate is to put it mildly. This was a big mistake. Listen: we cannot, we simply cannot. I don’t mean journalists, I mean writers per se. None of us can go into in this world of alternative facts. Listen: two plus two equals four. That’s a fact. There’s no alternative to it. [Matthews can be heard chuckling off-camera.]

    Water runs downhill, that’s a fact. It snows in Alaska. There are sand dunes in Saudi Arabia. These are facts. This idea of alternative facts, this is a propaganda tool. And look, you and I know that Ms. Conway is a smart lady and she didn’t just offhandedly say this. They’ve made this point before. I don’t think that even most of the very—Trump supporters who really believe in him—want us to deal in a world of alternative facts. Facts, and the truth, or as close as is humanly possible to get to the truth, are at the very foundation of our democracy and dealing with an informed citizenry.


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    Hey Dan, two plus two does equal four but then so does three plus one. Could that be an alternative fact?

    I think that Dan Rather is the perfect person to warn the MEDIA about alternate facts. If we tally up all of the obviously false narratives spun by the media during the Trump campaign and those spun by Trump and his people, who do you think had the most inaccuracies and falsehoods?

    I notice that the MSM is still ignoring the totally false report of the MLK bust being moved. Just another example of the totally biased reporting of the media.

      murkyv in reply to Mac45. | January 24, 2017 at 2:46 pm

      During the Pressers yesterday, Spicer was asked why the new administrations was continuing to talk about crowd size.

      And was asked that same question about 6-7 times.


    alaskabob | January 24, 2017 at 12:53 pm

    Rather led the charge against Nixon (applause for Rather by fellow correspondents when introduced at news conference… Nixon to Rather, “Are you running for office?” Rather to Nixon, “No… are you?” With Cronkite’s success against Johnson with Viet Nam, the media really began to shape the news to influence the listener or reader. They question whomever they want and cut the dialogue when it suits them. Now they are being openly challenged and rightfully so if they are to be kept (fairly) honest.

    Alternate facts, invented facts, and suppression of facts are the foundation of Rather’s career. These are propaganda tools he knows quite intimately. Evidently he’s still sore about having been caught using them. He should get together with Brian Williams so they can cry in each other’s beer.

    Valerie | January 24, 2017 at 3:30 pm

    This is a panoramic view of the mall during the inauguration

    And this is what was circulated under the pretense that the inauguration was poorly attended. It was a picture taken before the inauguration, and before the peak crowd arrived.

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