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    Wisconsin Sikh Temple shooting press conference update

    Wisconsin Sikh Temple shooting press conference update

    The police held a press conference at 11 a.m. Eastern today.

    The shooter was Wade Michael Page, who was shot dead by police during the incident.  He was shot in the parking lot after he shot at police.

    Police confirmed that Page was the only shooter, but did not give any information about motive or connections.

    The names of the victims were read by a member of the Sikh community to make sure the pronunciation was correct.

    Both CNN and Fox News cut away when the U.S. Attorney took the stage and launched a lengthy speech which sounded like an Obama campaign speech.

    Needless to say, the MSM and left-blogosphere have concluded the shooter was a white supremacist/neo-Nazi based on tattoos and being a former member of what they describe as a “skinhead” band — which they then obscenely generalize to be “right-wing,” a way of trying to link him to the political right.  This is the age-old tactic.  If Page was a white supremacist/neo-Nazi/skinhead, then he stood against everything the political right stands for.

    But for now, it’s all speculation.  Politics never is far behind a mass shooting, unfortunately.

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    Richard Aubrey | August 6, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    NC Mountain.

    Drunk on duty once won’t get it unless you’re on a particularly important duty and really mess something up. Possibly he effed up spectacularly and got this as a version of a plea-down.
    Or, more likely, he was a drunk.


       
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      Jay Jones in reply to Richard Aubrey. | August 6, 2012 at 4:24 pm

      This is from how the Navy does things. I know there are different tweaks in the Army’s punitive structure.

      But, a drunk on duty and the resulting NJP (assuming that’s why he went from sgt to specialist) within the last year of his enlistment (his time in is an odd number) could be reason for a less than honorable discharge.

      Also, there’s the early out program. I’m not sure if this was in effect in 98. But his command could have given him the option of getting out several months early. And this could be the reason for the odd length of time he was, reportedly, in.

      Again, this is all speculation. But IF he had a drunk on duty charge, that, or any other number of actions could lead to him getting booted out early with a bad discharge status. But that means nothing (now) regarding the shooting. At least until we get more context.


       
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      Henry Hawkins in reply to Richard Aubrey. | August 6, 2012 at 4:28 pm

      More likely had an alcohol problem, and it took a final straw drunk-on-duty to get him booted. Plus he’s had at least one DWI conviction. He is not listed in NC’s Criminal Offender database, meaning he’s never been convicted in NC of an offense leading to probation or active jail time. Any conviction that led to lesser punishment is not listed on the public database in NC. Also, those of us who use this database in our work know it is rife with omissions, incorrect data, etc. Shocking for a gubbermint database website, I know.

      Drunk on duty x 1 or more, DWI x 1 or more, highly transitory lifestyle, rock bands with political focus, etc…. could be alcoholic, drug addict, or decompensating psych problems, or all of the above. Who knows….


     
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    Richard Aubrey | August 6, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    Jay. “early out” Haven’t heard that in some years. When I was in, 69-71 Army, some guys said the Army was so mixed up you could get an early out by going vol indef.
    I have knowledge of a couple of guys who got into trouble with booze recently. One got a medical discharge since damned near killed himself with the bottle. I’d have thought his supervisors would have noticed something before that in his performance, which was a finicky specialty. Another guy was doing nothing wrong but the Army needed to throw a couple of guys under the bus to mollify the NYT editorial page and so he was going to be courtmartialed until the defense discovered some exculpatory info being withheld. So he got an “other than honorable”, which allowed him to get a VA job immediately. No rhyme nor reason.
    This guy had to have a record of being incapable when he showed up, and possibly not showing up as well. I see the Army taking it easy on him due to previous good service.


       
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      Jay Jones in reply to Richard Aubrey. | August 6, 2012 at 5:07 pm

      I took early out back in January. Currently for the Navy it’s 90 days early if your NEC (MOS) gets a reenlistment bonus. 180 if you didn’t get one. They’re offering it now as the Navy is downsizing (Army too, I think).

      That being said: I have no idea if it was the policy for the Army in 98.

    […] point endlessly over the past day, and will, I’m sure, continue to do so forever and a day.  William Jacobson is spot-on: Needless to say, the MSM and left-blogosphere have concluded the shooter was a white […]


     
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    BannedbytheGuardian | August 6, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    I think people can try too hard to make a theory.

    There was a Chinese man who cut off a passenger’s head on a Greyhound bus in Canada Therefore …..

    Do not nod off next to Chinese people.

    Do not catch buses.

    In this case …Tattooed people kill people in bright turbans.


     
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    WarEagle82 | August 6, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    What happened in this Sikh temple is an awful tragedy.

    But there is a theme continuing to develop that says there has been systematic, wide-spread violence against Muslims in the USA since 9/11. And that Sikhs are experiencing a spillover of that systematic, wide-spread violence against Muslims because ignorant Americans don’t know the difference between Muslims and Sikhs. (See this Guardian article alleging exactly this point: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/06/sikj-abuse-america-911)

    But I have never seen any detailed, reliable reports of systematic, wide-spread violence against Muslims or Sikhs in America since 9/11.

    Can anyone point me to reports that discuss this alleged systematic, wide-spread violence against Muslims? Or is this just more media/government hype to advance one or more causes?


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