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    Zimmerman’s father and on-scene EMT testify at bond hearing

    Zimmerman’s father and on-scene EMT testify at bond hearing

    George Zimmerman’s father and the EMT who treated Zimmerman at the scene the night he shot Trayvon Martin testified today at his second bond hearing.

    Via ABC News:

    During the hearing, Zimmerman’s lawyer Mark O’Mara played a tape of a 911 call in which a woman tells police that someone is yelling and she thinks they are calling for help. In the background of the call can be heard frantic screams for help, at least 14 calls for help in a 40 second period.

    The howls stop and the woman tells the 911 dispatcher that she just heard a shot.
    Robert Zimmerman listened to the tape with the rest of the courtroom and was then asked if he could identify the voice calling for help.

    “It was definitely George’s,” the father said.

    The EMT also testified, the video of which can be viewed here.

    Earlier in the hearing, a member of a Sanford, Fla., ambulance crew told a court that Zimmerman’s head, including his moustache and beard, were covered in blood after the shooting of Martin.

    EMT Kevin O’Rourke testified during Zimmerman’s bond hearing this morning that “45 percent” of Zimmerman’s head had blood on it and that the lacerations on Zimmerman’s head “would probably need stitches.”

    As noted in prior posts, a major problem with this case has been a sheer lack of hard evidence, at least with respect to what has been released to the public. To add to this problem, the evidence that has been released hasn’t always been reliable.

    First, there was the release of the 911 call by NBC that sparked an internal investigation into whether it had been selectively edited.

    Then, a security tape was released from the police station the night of the incident, which was unaccompanied by any paramedic records, but appeared to show Zimmerman had no injuries to his head. This appearance prompted a Martin family attorney to hastily declare they now had “the icing on the cake.” It was later shown that the video was poor quality, and Zimmerman was in fact injured.

    Today’s testimony by the EMT, coupled with paramedic records released along with the enhanced video of Zimmerman entering the police station lend weight to Zimmerman’s version of the story.

    However, with the current evidence on hand and available to the public, a definitive picture of what happened that night remains unknown.

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    Yoshi | June 29, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    This is all set to be a rerun of the Duke Lacrosse trial unless some kind of miracle happens at the last moment.


       
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      JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Yoshi. | June 30, 2012 at 12:13 am

      The Duke larosse case never went to trial due to outstanding lawyering by the defense team.


         
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        BannedbytheGuardian in reply to JackRussellTerrierist. | June 30, 2012 at 2:16 am

        As against the UVA Lacrosse trial.

        Still he was a nice boy & never actually meant to kill her -I was just bashing her head into the wall. & she slipped & sufocated on her pillow.

        As a second degree murder conviction it would be more suitable.


           
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          JackRussellTerrierist in reply to BannedbytheGuardian. | June 30, 2012 at 7:33 pm

          There was never any crime at all committed in the Duke case. None whatsoever. A street whore, currently facing trial for murder, made the entire story up to avoid going into detox and to get a big payday from de white boyz. A prosecutor hungry to get elected so he could get a bigger pension pushed the envelope of prosecutorial misconduct and deceit. Cops who wanted glory and a step up the career ladder jumped on the bandwagon. A prestigious university pandering to political correctness at every turn and on many levels served as handmaiden.

          A girl was murdered in the UVA case.

          Yes, 2nd-degree was an easy out. He should have gotten the death penalty.

          But the two cases are absolutely apples and oranges.


     
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    jimzinsocal | June 30, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Since the most recent thread on the case, Ive noticed a couple of other things pop up on the news. Those are posted in the Tip Line.
    The first was the release of the written report by the detective where in his report he brings up (paraphrase ) that Zimmerman had two opportunities where, if he had done something differently..ie stay in his car..all this wouldnt have happened. It was a vague reasoning as to “why” perhaps all this led to an arrest.
    Thats pretty shabby logic for me and I call that simply a twist on the old “if we only had that new firehouse the fire wouldnt have happened” reasoning. Basically an exercise in the “What If” theory. Using that faulty logic we could also be driven to assume that if it only hadnt been raining the result may have been different.
    Hogwash.
    The other article splashed all over Yahoo News talked about how a case in Texas…the guy was found guilty and sentanced despite the stand your ground defense.
    For me it was a more than subliminal pitch to associate Zimmerman with that case.


       
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      JackRussellTerrierist in reply to jimzinsocal. | June 30, 2012 at 2:47 pm

      How about somebody hit Serino with, “If only you’d been out doing your jobs patrolling this crime-plagued neighborhood, NONE of this would have happened.”


         
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        Ragspierre in reply to JackRussellTerrierist. | June 30, 2012 at 3:24 pm

        Investigators don’t do patrol.

        Cops are not everywhere, as you should know.


           
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          JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Ragspierre. | June 30, 2012 at 5:32 pm

          “jobs”

          Note the use of the plural.

          Patrols should have been stepped up for the complex and its vicinity due to the meaningful increase in break-ins.

          You should know this. Or maybe not. Government-lovers give governmental agencies a pass when they don’t do their jobs. You people love to make excuses for government failures…..until it’s your ox being gored.


             
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            Ragspierre in reply to JackRussellTerrierist. | June 30, 2012 at 5:36 pm

            “…somebody hit Serino with…”

            Liar.

            And, again, I love government exactly like Levin, Jabobson, Reynolds, etc. love government.

            So, you are again just lying.

            OK. Up to you.


             
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            JackRussellTerrierist in reply to JackRussellTerrierist. | June 30, 2012 at 6:01 pm

            Serino made the comment, so he is the person/representative speaking for the department at that time who would be in the conversation being rebutted with a remark about a collective “you” doing your jobS.

            You have defended Corey and her actions over and over, praised her, etc., and overlooked all her transgressions as a PROFESSIONAL PROSECUTOR while condemning GZ, an unsophisticated 28 yr.old with far less background and education for his actions. That, in addition to your other remarks defending the government’s actions, demonstrates your clear bias in favor of the government’s position and actions.


             
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            Ragspierre in reply to JackRussellTerrierist. | June 30, 2012 at 6:10 pm

            “…praised her, etc.”

            I never praised her. Put up a quote, liar. I have related that she is held in some regard by LEOs and the criminal bar, which is simply true. I have also said she should remove herself from this case, or be removed.

            “…while condemning GZ…”

            Again, I have stated that Zimmerman lied. So has O’Mara in his pleadings, which was simply to acknowledge a fact.
            See Item 10 in his most recent motion. So, BTW, did Tom McGuire, who you quote when is suits you.

            Beyond that, put up a quote where I condemned Mr. Zimmerman.

            I have said repeatedly that I do not know what happened, and will not judge either Zimmerman or Corey…as yet.


             
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            JackRussellTerrierist in reply to JackRussellTerrierist. | June 30, 2012 at 7:15 pm

            Rags, nobody is going to waste their time thumbing through pages and pages of archives threads to find weeks or even months-old specific posts of yours saying this or that particular thing. Only you, this supposed great practicing lawyer, seem to have that kind of time. Nobody else does, unless they’re getting paid. But of course you know this, so you use your demand that certain comments be unearthed, knowing people don’t have or won’t take the time to do it, as a means of creating a new “truth” whenever you need it.


             
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            Ragspierre in reply to JackRussellTerrierist. | June 30, 2012 at 7:38 pm

            “Only you, this supposed great practicing lawyer…”

            Another lie. I am just what I am. That is a practicing trial attorney. Not “great”. Just what I am.


             
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            JackRussellTerrierist in reply to JackRussellTerrierist. | June 30, 2012 at 8:06 pm

            🙂 LMAO 🙂


             
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            Ragspierre in reply to JackRussellTerrierist. | June 30, 2012 at 8:19 pm

            🙂 Yes, indeed. “Lying my ass off” 🙂

            We know.


       
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      JackRussellTerrierist in reply to jimzinsocal. | June 30, 2012 at 2:54 pm

      Forgot to include: Yahoo needs to be reminded of Joe Horn who shot and killed two black thugs (with Hispanic surnames)robbing his neighbor AND the way the people of Pasadena, TX handled the New Black Plague thugs when they came calling over the incident in one of their confrontation marches of self-righteous indignation. They ran away like little bitches when the crowd pushed back. They were visibly frightened. They jumped into their SUV and took off – probably to Walmart to buy a couple packages of fresh shorts.


         
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        Ragspierre in reply to JackRussellTerrierist. | June 30, 2012 at 3:25 pm

        (CBS/AP) HOUSTON – Retired Houston firefighter Raul Rodriguez was sentenced Wednesday to 40 years after he claimed that Texas’ version of a stand-your-ground law allowed him to fatally shoot a neighbor over an argument about a noisy party.

        Rodriguez, 46, was convicted of murder on June 13 for the 2010 killing of 36-year-old Kelly Danaher, an elementary school teacher. Angry about the noise coming from a birthday party at his neighbor’s home, Rodriguez went over to Danaher’s house and got into an argument with her and two other men.

        In a 22-minute video he recorded on the night of the shooting, Rodriguez told a police dispatcher “my life is in danger now” and “these people are going to go try and kill me.” He then said, “I’m standing my ground here,” and fatally shot Danaher and wounded the other two men.

        At trial, defense attorneys said Rodriguez, who had a concealed handgun license, was defending himself when one of the men lunged at him and he had less than a second to respond. Prosecutors called Rodriguez the aggressor and said he could have safely left his neighbor’s driveway any time before the shooting, and the said Rodriguez had a history of not getting along with Danaher and other neighbors.
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        This is why we have trials. See? (No. Your bigotry has blinded you. I understand.)


           
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          JackRussellTerrierist in reply to Ragspierre. | June 30, 2012 at 6:41 pm

          You see, Rags, this is why I know you’re not a lawyer. A lawyer would clearly see the fallacy in the use of this story as troublesome for GZ. First, like Horn, Danaher was protected by the Castle Doctrine right out of the gate. She was on her own property and not committing a felony, unlike in the Horn case where two illgal aliens were feloniously breaking into a private residence not their own and then came onto his property. Castle Doctrine rules. Rodriguez’s use of SYG isn’t valid at all because of this. Like Trayvon, all Rodriguez had to do was go home if he felt threatened. The second fallacy in Yahoo using this story as anti-GZ innuendo is that the GZ/Martin case is not even about SYG even though you, Yahoo, and others would like it to be so you can use the media’s and Martin lawyers’ lies about the case to taint SYG. Third, what this case proves, unrelated and unconnected to GZ, is that the SYG defense will not be viewed as a bullet-proof defense and therefore there is no reason to undermine the law as much as you big government gun-grabbers would like to see that happen. So you and Yahoo are actually shooting your stupid selves in the foot by even glomming onto the story in the first place.

          So, you go right ahead and jump on the media anti-GZ bandwagon and bash away. Use every opportunity for fallacious example you can conjure. Spin and twist all you like. The fact remains that this man should not be on trial and people like you who think he should because he dared defend himself against a black person bent on killing him are what is wrong with this country. Now, stop bothering me. Go do what you do best. Go kiss some more government ass.


             
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            Ragspierre in reply to JackRussellTerrierist. | June 30, 2012 at 7:40 pm

            “So, you go right ahead and jump on the media anti-GZ bandwagon and bash away.”

            More lies. I am not on any “bandwagon”. But you cannot stand it that I will not put up with your BS in support of your bigotry.

            I understand. So do others.


             
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            JackRussellTerrierist in reply to JackRussellTerrierist. | June 30, 2012 at 8:18 pm

            If by “bigotry” you mean that I realize GZ is completely innocent, yep, I’m a bigot.

            There is no private messaging on this forum, so your reference to others thinking I’m a bigot is just more smoke-blowing from a phony, wanna-be lawyer.


             
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            Ragspierre in reply to JackRussellTerrierist. | June 30, 2012 at 8:24 pm

            “The fact remains that this man should not be on trial and people like you who think he should because he dared defend himself against a black person bent on killing him are what is wrong with this country.”

            Please…!!! Look are your own writing, you poor old hate-twisted bigot. Do you think nobody reads what you write?

            One of my skills is listening to people, and remembering what they say. For instance…

            “Blacks are not and can never be equal partners in this society except on paper.”

            Insert “Jews” in that sentence, and imagine what Prof. Bill would think of you. Next, try any other ethnic group.

            You are just an old, hate-twisted bigot, and it taints all your thinking.


             
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            JackRussellTerrierist in reply to JackRussellTerrierist. | July 1, 2012 at 5:24 am

            I can’t insert any other ethnic group because it is not true of any other ethnic group.


           
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          Ragspierre in reply to Ragspierre. | July 1, 2012 at 9:01 am

          BTW, I was making none of the convoluted “larger points” or implying any of the AMAZING minutia you suggest when I citing to that example.

          Much more simple; since the day murder was seen as bad, people have been claiming self-defense.

          Wyatt Earp had to defend himself legally in court for the killings at the O.K. Corral.

          Sometimes, self-defense as a defense is totally warranted…sometimes it isn’t. But prosecutors and juries WILL look narrowly at the claim, and it may only be justified via the trial process in some cases.

          As to SYG, I’ve always supported it. Self-defense is a natural right we all hold, and which we partly delegate to our police agencies as part of what Levin has called “the civil compact”.

          For you to call me a “gun grabber” is both simply nuts and as far from true as you could be. But that whole “truth” thing gets lost in your hatred, dunnit?


     
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    jimzinsocal | June 30, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    When I read the Yahoo story it only seemed curious to me is all and also because of the proximity as the stories were listed. Nothing I got excited about really. I wondered if a casual reader…the sorts of folks that may be would be jurors would make an association is all….remembering the early reporting of the Zimmerman case alot was said about SYG cases.


       
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      JackRussellTerrierist in reply to jimzinsocal. | June 30, 2012 at 8:14 pm

      Yes, lots of SYG jabber and teeth-gnashing early on and continuing……until several weeks ago. Now we don’t hear about it all. Oops. Oh, yeah. Those troublesome gashes on the back of GZ’s head, his bloody nose, Trayvon’s bruised knuckles. SYG has been overshadowed completely by self-defense.


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