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    “We” never believed them, only “you” did

    “We” never believed them, only “you” did

    Joel Brinkley, currently a Professor at Stanford who spent most of his career as a foreign correspondent for The New York Times, has a column in the San Francisco Chronicle titled Islamists in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia not democratic.

    The thesis of the column is that Westerners who took Islamists at their word that they would promote democracy and freedom as part of the Arab Spring were fooled.  Brinkley counts himself among those fooled:

    Ever since Islamists took office in Tunisia, Libya and Egypt, they have been  trying to convince us that they are advocates of moderation, democracy, women’s  rights and individual freedoms. And most people in the West, after jubilantly  watching the Arab Spring’s amazing revolutions last year, wanted to believe  them.

    But now we can see that these Islamic groups are taking us for fools…

    We should never have believed them.

    We” never believed them and “we” were not fooled.  Only “you” and the cheerleaders at The NY Times like Roger Cohen believed them:

    Already we hear the predictable warnings from Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu: This could be Iran 1979, a revolution for freedom that installs the Islamists. But this is not 1979, and Egypt’s Facebook-adept youth are not lining up behind the Muslim Brotherhood, itself scarcely a band of fanatics.

    We” never believed that — absent an orderly transition — the Google Guy and other Western-oriented relative-secularists had any chance of survival.

    “Your” former colleagues at The NY Times deceived their readers:

    Sheik Qaradawi, a popular television cleric whose program reaches an audience of tens of millions worldwide, addressed a rapt audience of more than a million Egyptians gathered in Tahrir Square to celebrate the uprising and honor those who died….

    On Friday, he struck themes of democracy and pluralism, long hallmarks of his writing and preaching….

    Scholars who have studied his work say Sheik Qaradawi has long argued that Islamic law supports the idea of a pluralistic, multiparty, civil democracy.

    “You” were surprised.  “We” are not.

    “We” have nothing for which to apologize.  “You” do.

    Not that it will make any difference at this point.


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    […] Prof. William A. Jacobson warns Prof. Joel Brinkley, and others, to be very careful when applying the "We" word in this matter… […]

    Uncle Samuel | April 14, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    “Obama could have been a hero”

    He is hero to his people – Black Muslims, socialist, fascists, Islamists, Muslim Brotherhood – that is what he was put into place to be.

    Connect the dots:

    OBAMA marched with the New Black Panthers in 2007 –
    The New Black Panthers are tied to Hezbollah –
    Mexico drug cartels tied to Hezbollah.
    Obama administration sues states to keep borders open.
    Beheaded bodies found in US, mimic Mexican/Hezbollah drug cartel killings:

    LukeHandCool | April 14, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    To misquote Roy Scheider in “Jaws”:

    “You’re gonna need a bigger reset button.”

    SeanInLI | April 14, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    The reason they were “fooled” was because, in the 10+ years since we really engaged full-on with Islam, the left has refused to look at all at Islam.

    All criticism, all give, all expectations are of the West, the U.S. in particular. It is against leftism to look at anyone but the West when considering problems between cultures.

    However, conservatives and Jews have long since taken a critical look at Islam, and surprise, it is found quite wanting.

    It has always been fundamentally hostile to Western democracy, secularism, and basically anything that is not written in the Koran. Islam will not tolerate it, yet to see that the left would need to approach Islam, the Koran and supporting texts critically.

    Something the left will never do. They will search for the solution somewhere in the West, and will continue to be “surprised” when Islam marches forward, trampling over Democracy.

      Ragspierre in reply to SeanInLI. | April 14, 2012 at 3:02 pm

      The reason they were “fooled” was because, in the 10+ years since we really engaged full-on with Islam, the left has refused to look at all at REALITY.

      Got to keep in mind, the Collective HAS to live in delusion.

      It is the only way they can make it through any given day.

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