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    “We” never believed them, only “you” did

    “We” never believed them, only “you” did

    Joel Brinkley, currently a Professor at Stanford who spent most of his career as a foreign correspondent for The New York Times, has a column in the San Francisco Chronicle titled Islamists in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia not democratic.

    The thesis of the column is that Westerners who took Islamists at their word that they would promote democracy and freedom as part of the Arab Spring were fooled.  Brinkley counts himself among those fooled:

    Ever since Islamists took office in Tunisia, Libya and Egypt, they have been  trying to convince us that they are advocates of moderation, democracy, women’s  rights and individual freedoms. And most people in the West, after jubilantly  watching the Arab Spring’s amazing revolutions last year, wanted to believe  them.

    But now we can see that these Islamic groups are taking us for fools…

    We should never have believed them.

    We” never believed them and “we” were not fooled.  Only “you” and the cheerleaders at The NY Times like Roger Cohen believed them:

    Already we hear the predictable warnings from Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu: This could be Iran 1979, a revolution for freedom that installs the Islamists. But this is not 1979, and Egypt’s Facebook-adept youth are not lining up behind the Muslim Brotherhood, itself scarcely a band of fanatics.

    We” never believed that — absent an orderly transition — the Google Guy and other Western-oriented relative-secularists had any chance of survival.

    “Your” former colleagues at The NY Times deceived their readers:

    Sheik Qaradawi, a popular television cleric whose program reaches an audience of tens of millions worldwide, addressed a rapt audience of more than a million Egyptians gathered in Tahrir Square to celebrate the uprising and honor those who died….

    On Friday, he struck themes of democracy and pluralism, long hallmarks of his writing and preaching….

    Scholars who have studied his work say Sheik Qaradawi has long argued that Islamic law supports the idea of a pluralistic, multiparty, civil democracy.

    “You” were surprised.  “We” are not.

    “We” have nothing for which to apologize.  “You” do.

    Not that it will make any difference at this point.


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    Why are our supposed leaders unfazed by the fact that islamists believe that lying to infidels is completely appropriate? Why are they surprised when things islamists tell them turn out not to be true? How do we know that they really are surprised?
    The Prof’s point is correct in that we knew. The Prof may not be correct with his implication that others did not know, as opposed to others in fact knowing and not caring, or knowing and being fine with the outcome.
    I still have not heard a logical explanation for Obama’s 2008 “my muslim religion” comment, other than Obama being a muslim.

      Anchovy in reply to Rick. | April 14, 2012 at 12:08 pm

      “Why are our supposed leaders unfazed by the fact that islamists believe that lying to infidels is completely appropriate?”

      Because they identify with this?

    LukeHandCool | April 14, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    Islamists abhor a power vacuum … just like the media love the power suction of an airline-toilet strength memory hole.

    “We.” Hah. The same “We” who fell for the “hope and change” tripe?

    Scorpio51 | April 14, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    “Barack Obama could have been a hero”

    Well, could have been, but he was only installed as the “puppet.”

    Greg Toombs | April 14, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    Facebook-adept youth vs. men with guns = democracy wins! Ummm,OK.

    Browndog | April 14, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    Muslim demographics

    (7 min. video)

    It might shock you

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