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    Drake Debate Post-Op & Tweets of Night

    Drake Debate Post-Op & Tweets of Night

    Quick take:  Everyone performed well, but if Romney’s task was to take on and knock down Newt, he didn’t do it.  Romney was offered up the opportunity a number of times, and only tried once and it was weak.  It was not as cringe-worthy as when Tim Pawlenty failed to confront Romney about “Obamneycare,” but it wasn’t good.  Romney had the “gaffe” of the night, offering Perry at $10,000 bet (I kid you not) over what was in Romney’s book about health care.

    This was not Newt’s best debate, but he had a few good moments, handling the issue of marital infidelity well, and hitting a home run on standing up for Israel.  Perry had his best night by far, was clear headed, and had the line of the night about Newt’s Palestinian comment.  Santorum was strong, I just don’t know if it will make a difference.  Michelle Bachmann was the most aggressive, coining the term “Newt Romney.”  But by attacking them both, she weakened her case against either.  Ron Paul was Ron Paul.

    What will be the result at the polls?  I can’t imagine Romney closes the gap with Newt, but others might move up.  The problem is that there’s only so many not-Newt votes to go around.  Perry, Santorum and Bachmann all are seeking the same voters.

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    1). “But by attacking them both, she weakened her case against either.”

    Yeah, but she really had no good choice. Beating one of them does nothing for her. She was right about it being Hail Mary time, but, for the same reasons they call them Hail Mary passes, it went nowhere.

    2). We’re coming up on another one of those periods in Newt’s public career when Newt gives me a stress stomachache every few days for a week and then does something that either justifies my apprehension, or (less commonly) decides not to do that thing, whatever it was.

    The public is talking about him in a positive way and he’s appeared smart and wise and just sort of all-knowing and good in the debates and he’s been looking more relaxed and happier and his opponents who were dismissing him as meaningless just a few weeks ago now all have the same sort of vague, stunned look while he’s wowing another debate audience, and . . .

    So now’s the time in his show when he forgets all of those pesky rules the consultants gave him about not having temper tantrums in public not insisting that he be treated at least as importantly as the most important person present, or not always insisting that you should just stop talking and simply defer to him because he was there back in 1749 or whenever when the issue you’re discussing was first raised and he wrote the actual rule, or something . . .

    Exaggerating, sort of, but he usually encounters Suboptimal National Exposure, in some form, right about at this point in the election cycle when voters and the media have been reinforcing his already-robust feelings of superiority and superlativeness and he forgets that he shouldn’t say certain things even though he’d like to. Say them, I mean.

    Just remember the incident on Air Force One. That’s the kind of thing that’s making my stomach sore.


       
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      Darkstar58 in reply to bobby b. | December 11, 2011 at 2:51 pm

      Yeah, but she really had no good choice. Beating one of them does nothing for her. She was right about it being Hail Mary time, but, for the same reasons they call them Hail Mary passes, it went nowhere.

      But you’re missing the point – it speaks to character.

      Newt had no good choice a few months ago either. In fact, he was in a worse position – he had lost support he had previously had solely because of slander. Newt’s chances to be president looked to be between slim-to-none.

      What he could have done is let the Hail Mary fly, and go on the warpath against the other candidates. Except, he didn’t…

      Newt is still the only one holding to the Reagan 11th Amendment. Why? Because its important, damn it! Meanwhile Michele has been pissing all over it for months, becoming an embarrassing, candidate-chasing attack-dog.

      Bachmann has become a Me Party mouthpiece screaming from the top of her lungs she is a Tea Party Patriot. She is on the news-stations constantly ripping into her competitors, often only moments after they say something. She is happily doing Obama’s job for him; showing she see’s herself as the only one who really truly matters so, so what, right?

      I semi-supported Bachmann before. I never though she could honestly win the primaries, (let alone the election) but I would have helped her do so in a heartbeat if it seemed she might be able to pull it off.

      Now, I’m not even sure I could honestly support her for Congress anymore. Her actions have just been that disgusting to me…


     
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    scottinwisconsin | December 11, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    It’s a shame Ron Paul isn’t willing to murder millions of foreigners, and rule a big empire. If he were, all you “good conservatives” would be madly in love with him. Think about it. YOU LOVE all his other positions, which he has held consistently for 40 years. When will you realize that a government that pushes around and murders foreigners, will naturally tend to push around and murder IT’S OWN people. Wise up. Give up the dreams of empire, and embrace the truths that founded this nation.


       
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      Darkstar58 in reply to scottinwisconsin. | December 11, 2011 at 3:00 pm

      It’s a shame Ron Paul isn’t willing to murder millions of foreigners, and rule a big empire. If he were, all you “good conservatives” would be madly in love with him.

      See, this is why we cant stand Paul and his supporters.

      Think about it. YOU LOVE all his other positions, which he has held consistently for 40 years.

      Actually, no; no we don’t…

      He has a ACU score lower then anyone else in the race. He hits some fantastic points, but is just as wrong on so many other issues. He has his place, but that place is no where near the White House.


         
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        bobby b in reply to Darkstar58. | December 12, 2011 at 4:34 pm

        “See, this is why we cant stand Paul and his supporters.”

        So, the 11th Commandment actually reads “”Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican whom thou likes”?

        😉


           
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          Darkstar58 in reply to bobby b. | December 12, 2011 at 7:55 pm

          And I’m hardly running for President

          :p

          Anyway, responding to hyperbole dismissively is hardly the same as manufacturing hyperbole to try and defame another conservative – that’s half the issue I have with Bachmann.

          The other comes in conjunction with stuff like, well you know, things like – “turn 999 upside down/The Devils in the Details”… Now, of course, she is repeating “Nine, Nine, Nine” multiple times (even going as far as spinning it to her own “Win, Win, Win”) in debates hoping she can capitalize off those voters. Or how about all the “Newt Romney” stuff when buzz everywhere has her angling to be Mitts VP choice?

          All these hyperbole attacks were bad enough. To instantly flip-flopping in an effort to power grab is hardly any more becoming of her…


             
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            bobby b in reply to Darkstar58. | December 12, 2011 at 8:53 pm

            I can’t disagree, really. It’s sort of sad – she’s from my own state, and she’s never been known for trashing others in previous campaigns, but in this campaign, she got it into her head (I think) at some point when her surprisingly good numbers started to fade that that’s what many Tea Party supporters wanted – someone who would “call a spade a spade”, who would not let politeness stop her from attacking the career politicians, the money-grubbers, etc.

            And she was right – the hard core of support that she has retained has consisted of those people amongst the Tea Party groups who WANT her to call out whenever she sees . . . whatever it is that they don’t like.

            Besides, I doubt that most of her supporters would really consider themselves real Republicans – these are people who condemn both major parties for getting us where we are today. For her, fealty to Reagan’s commandment would entail not criticizing other TP types, not R’s.

            The morality of her approach notwithstanding, I still think she or her crew realized that it was Hail Mary or Go Home time. By definition, a “Hail Mary” attempt is a last-ditch effort to avoid an impending loss. Most of Fran Tarkenton’s Hail Mary passes got dropped, too.

            (And one more day passes without Newt blowing something up. My stomach can’t take this.)


             
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            Darkstar58 in reply to Darkstar58. | December 13, 2011 at 4:00 am

            Yeah, I understand that and don’t dispute her likely freaking out in the strategy department at the position she is now in. But that shouldn’t lead her to abandon her principles either. And here’s how I ultimately see it, summed up first in a quote:

            “Battles are won by slaughter and maneuver. The greater the general, the more he contributes in maneuver, the less he demands in slaughter.”

            I see that as a perfect example of where we are.

            If she were the leader she says we so desperately need right now, she shouldn’t need to resort to such tactics. But since she feels she must go there, it shows she is not the very leader she claims we need.

            We are left to question which is ultimately more important to her – what she knows we need, or what she really wants? Her actions, as I mentioned above, scream Me Party; not Tea Party. And when the attacks are followed up with the Pandering…

            It also leads me to one other quote from the same author

            “However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.”

            This isn’t helping her one bit, nor has it helped anyone else, so I am not sure what she thinks she is accomplishing anyway – the only real results are her making everyone look bad to the benefit of Obama.

            (PS, I don’t think Newt will blow up – I think he has matured now; much like the great Conservative thinkers before him such as Reagan, Nixon and the man I quoted above…)


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