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    Most Brutal Debate Video and Tweets Ever

    Most Brutal Debate Video and Tweets Ever

    Full report on CNBC debate here.  The only part that will be remembered is Rick Perry’s freeze on stage.  He was having a reasonable debate until that point.  I feel sorry for him.  One freeze on stage should not end a campaign, but the reaction will be brutal because it fits into a narrative of prior debate failures.

    Speaks for itself. It is what it is.

    Here is the video clip and the simultaneous reaction by three people on Twitter:

    And now the Tweets:

    Update:  Drudge headline:

    Via HotAir, this reaction as to whether fundraisers will lose faith:


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    I think Perry thought that because he is the biggest big shot in a big state, we could just swagger his way onto the national stage and voters would thank their lucky stars to have him. It’s not just a couple of debate “performances” excused by Perry because he’s not a “good debater.”

    What used to be called — quaintly — public speaking is arguably the most important skill a political leader in a democracy must have. And essential to speaking — in debates or any other context — is command of the subjects as well as the language. This is not to say that a leader needs to be an expert on everything, which is impossible, or even an expert on anythjng. But he or she must be able to discuss any important topic with reasonable facility. Equally important, he or she must have the qualities of self-possession and control to steer a way out of any thorny thicket.

    Why? In this case, because every word the President of the United States speaks or does not speak can be critically important. He can crash markets, alienate allies, screw up longstanding national policies by a misstatement or a failure to know or recall something a good deal less significant than what Perry could not recall in public about his own plan.

    Liberal critics used to complain about Eisenhower’s habit of vague circumlocution on some subjects especially in press conferences. But Ike understood from years of experience at the height of power that there could be no do-overs of a Presidential mistake, particularly at the peak of cold war danger.

    Perry’s “brain freeze” is not just a minor “gaffe.” This is the big time, and however much he may be an excellent governor, he has proven that he is not ready for it.

      Owen J in reply to JEBurke. | November 10, 2011 at 11:49 am

      The argument sounds good but you need better historical support for it. Arguably the last President who meets that standard is Lincoln, the greatest political genius and the only truly eloquent President this nation has ever produced.

      I think you also misunderstand what it is that a president actually does and how he does it. Too many people live in the Reality TV World, thinking that what they see is what makes things happen. This is not the case.

      The fact of the matter is that public address is a fairly minor part of a President’s job. We do not expect President to be eloquent anymore — which is why we have professional speech writers. Obama’s failure is not due to some inability to speak in public — it is due to the fact that he holds wrong opinions and pursues dangerous harmful policies.

      Reagan success was not due to the fact that as an actor he could deliver lines well, it was because he know what he wanted to do and how to set about doing it, and because it was (by & large) and proper thing to do. He was not known a “great communicator” because he spoke well but because he had something of value to communicate.

      Having good policies, well-thought out, and viable plan to implement them is what matters. Explaining them to people afterwards are what speech writers and spokemen are for, and I see no evidence in Perry’s record that he is terribly deficient in this regard.

      That is not to say the President’s words are not important, in public or in private. Leaving aside Eisenhower’s habit of using “vague circumlocutions” (which would seem to undermine the point being made above) and taking that further point about the potentially disasterous affects of a “failure to know or recall something a good deal less significant than what Perry could not recall in public about his own plan”, I assert that history does not quite bear that out.

      For the sake of brevity, I will cite but one example (paraphasing as I cannot find the exact quote). In the Greek crisis that occured during the Johnson adminstration, Johnson was told that the Greek PM (as I recall) had been detained — effectively kidnapped — by the opposition and threats were being made.

      Johnson was not pleased and he called (or summoned) some official from the State Dept, and told them: “You get on the phone with that sonofbitch and you tell him that if anything happens to that other sonofabitch, we’re gonna go over there and shoot all them sonsabitches!”

      The PM was duly released unharmed and the crisis was de-escalated.

      Now Perry — for example — may not be very good in the sound-bite “debate” format people have been sucking up. How he would do in the format Cain and Newt used, I don’t know, but I suspect he would do better, based on his record. I would never expect him to rise to level of eloquence of Lincoln under any circumstances.

      But I can easily hear him saying what Johnson said in a similar crisis. And I do believe it would carry equal conviction and credibility with the bad guys.

      And that matters much more than the fact that he does not play the trained monkey as well as some others in the opposition’s latest dog-&-pony show.

        JEBurke in reply to Owen J. | November 10, 2011 at 12:13 pm

        Good lord, what a lengthy non sequitur. Nothing I wrote supposes that speaking in public is the most important task of a President. Nor did I say anything remotely suggesting that a President must be “eloquent.” It’s a very long way from “oops” to eloquence.

        I’m saying something that should be obvious — indeed IS obvious to all those voters who stopped telling pollsters they prefer Perry before last night — namely, that the ability to communicate effectively and persuasively is an essential skill, one of many but still essential, to a President.

        Citing Ike’s deliberare vague circumlocution hardly undermines the point (but it does reveal an element of ignorance in your reply). Smart statesmen know it is sometimes better to be vague than to make a mistake. And skilled political leaders can always manage to talk their way out of a tight spot, which takes brains not eloquence.

          Owen J in reply to JEBurke. | November 10, 2011 at 3:37 pm

          I quote: “What used to be called — quaintly — public speaking is arguably the most important skill a political leader in a democracy must have…”

          I quote again: “Nothing I wrote supposes that speaking in public is the most important task of a President.”

          Now what was your point again?

    You know who I feel sorry for (sort of). Dave Carney and the other Gingrich staffers who jumped ship on Gingrich less than five months ago, seeking to publicly humiliate their candidate in the process, in order to join Perry’s campaign.

    They gotta feel like a___oles today!

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