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    Too Far

    Too Far

    I was on record, before the Cordoba mosque and Islamic Center became a national story after Obama weighed in, that the organizers should have picked a different location, because the location was bound to result in the center being a target of radical Islamists for propaganda and agitation purposes.

    But I do not agree with the tenor and scope of the “Stop the Islamization” movement and protest.  Muslims, as any other religious group, should be held to abide by our civil laws.  Period.  To insist on such compliance is not anti-Muslim or Islamophobic, which is how some people want to play the issue.

    An insistence on the supremacy of our civil laws does not require or justify a broad swipe at any religious group.

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    JohnJ: "extremists" is a very convenient word that squishy people like to use to position themselves as reasonable people. Some issues deal with absolutes. Like when Israel is labeled as "extremist" because they won't negotiate a "peace" with neighboring countries who insist that Israel has no right to exist. In that case, there is no middle ground. Same thing with Muslims insisting on building a mosque on Ground Zero and insisting that we put aside our constitution to accommodate Dark Ages Sharia law.

    There are times when you have to hold the line. This is one of them. You cannot negotiate with an enemy that won't grant you the right to exist. Being "reasonable" is suicide against such an unreasonable enemy.

    James,

    Christianity has render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.

    Islam has "And we do not descend but by the command of your Lord; to Him belongs whatever is before us and whatever is behind us and whatever is between these, and your Lord is not forgetful." (Quran, 19:64)

    This is an accepted hadith from the collections of Sahih Muslim. It was one of the last things Mohammed said.

    "When you meet your enemies who are polytheists [Christians], invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them … If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them"

    Perhaps Legal Insurrection should await the disclosure of Imam Rauf's 13 hours of tapes, that will be made public the week of August 23, 2010 by Steve Emerson's blog, before it gives a clean bill of health to this noxious project. Just saying…

    @showbiz111 – I'm ot giving a clean bill of health to anyone, just the opposite. If there are specific facts with regard to this person, the people providing the funding, or otherwise, that is fair to point out.

    In 1943 a book called Under Cover by John Roy Carlson was published. It detailed underground Fascist activity in the US, and notes more overt activity previous to the war. The authors name was a pen name, his history etc… can be looked up by doing a search on the pen name.
    In 1951 the same author published a book called Cairo to Damascus, it details early history of the Muslim brotherhood and what becomes Hamas. What the two books have in common and the reason Carlson wrote this book was because he was continuing to track Fascist activity. There is another book between these two called the Plotters, though it is not particularly germane to this discussion except to note that it continues in the vein of unmasking those who would seek to make America an authoritarian country and to note also how much more difficult it was for him to infiltrate communist groups vs. fascist groups.

    There are other more or less forgotten books of the time that are a treasure trove of information regarding the movement of German style Fascism known of course as Nazism, into the middle east both before the war as well as after the war. A good study of the much of this information not only makes it clear that what we are fighting today is a fight that goes back more than 60 years, it also explains the simplistic left/right divide that too many Americans fall for today, as one begins to understand how the communist left used the corporatism inherent in the non communist left to become THE left solution.
    It is imperative to realize that an authoritarian political system that uses religion is much more dangerous than a secular authoritarian political system to this country precisely because of our deep seeded belief in religious freedom. It is also imperative to understand that much of what passes for religious edict in Islam is little more than cultural norms incorporated into the religion by Mohammad, not allowing those things to be questioned because it is too radical is akin to stating that since St. Paul instructed slaves to obey their masters means Christians have erred by fighting to stop slavery.

    I would urge all to find old books and articles from times past and study, study and study it some more. Do not go by what you have been taught in school, or by what you have been gently fed. There is a very strong connection between Nazism and Islamists. We are fighting a very, very old fight. One our founding fathers understood and we had best learn as well.


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