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    Pelosi May 2002 Statement Casts Further Doubt On Her Claims

    Pelosi May 2002 Statement Casts Further Doubt On Her Claims

    Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi has denied being briefed in September 2002 about the waterboarding of Abu Zubaydah. Pelosi claims she was told that the technique had not been used (when in fact it had been used a month earlier). Pelosi uses this September 2002 briefing, and the alleged concealment of waterboarding, to support her claim that the CIA misled Congress.

    Pelosi says she first learned of the waterboarding in February 2003, when her aide was briefed on the issue, and relayed the information to her. CIA Director Leon Panetta states that CIA records show that Pelosi was in fact briefed on the techniques used on Zubaydah at the September 2002 briefing.

    We do not know at this time what other records exist showing what was said at the September 2002 briefing, but this quotation from Pelosi in May 2002 lends credibility to the CIA’s account. Pelosi clearly was being kept apprised of the specific details Zubaybah’s interrogation and the difficulty of getting Zubaydah to give up all he knew.

    In May 2002, the government announced a terror alert based in part on information Zubaydah had revealed about attacks on the Brooklyn Bridge and other landmarks, although Zubaydah was being evasive as to whether there was an active plan. Pelosi was quoted as being aware of the details of the interrogation (italics in quotation mine):

    CNN.com, May 22, 2002: Last Monday night, the New York Joint Terrorism Task Force–a round-the-clock operation at the New York field office of the FBI–got a call from FBI headquarters. Abu Zubaydah, the highest al-Qaeda official to be captured by the U.S., had told interrogators that he had heard other Osama bin Laden loyalists discussing attacks on the Brooklyn Bridge, the Statue of Liberty and other U.S. landmarks. But, a federal law-enforcement official told TIME, Abu Zubaydah had said the conversations took place a while back and claimed he knew of no particular plan. Since his capture in March, Abu Zubaydah has shared some valuable information, says a senior U.S. intelligence source. “He’s not b.s.ing us on everything.” Then again, says Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi, senior Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, “he is also very skilled at avoiding interrogation. He is an agent of disinformation.”

    So as of May 2002, Pelosi knew the details of the interrogation of Zubaydah, and the problems the CIA was encountering due to Zubaydah’s evasiveness. It does not take any leap of imagination to believe that Pelosi, then the senior Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, would have been kept informed of the progress of the interrogation, including the use of waterboarding months later.

    It would take an incredible leap of imagination to believe that the CIA would tell Pelosi about all the problems with the interrogation of Zubaydah, but not tell her what was being done to solve those problems. Particularly when the waterboarding revealed that the plot against the Brooklyn Bridge, about which Pelosi publicly spoke, was revealed to be real based on information Zubaydah provided after being waterboarded.

    A leap of imagination is exactly what Pelosi is asking us to do with her ever-changing explanations.

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    maybe you guys who better learn what the SERE PROGRAM WHICH IS USED BY THE MILITARY AND THESE ENHANCED CAME FROM THE SCHOOL THEY HAVE IN FORT BRAGG NORTH CAROLINA. THESE IS WHERE THE TATICS TO GET INFORMATION CAME FROM. THEY USE THESE INTERRIGATION TECHIQUES ON OUR SOLDIERS AT THIS SCHOOL. MAYBE YOU NEED TO LEARN SOMETHING BEFORE MAKING JUDGEMENTS. WATERBOARDING IS USED ON OUR SOLDIERS AT THE SERE SCHOOL EVERYDAY SO TORTURE IS NOT ILLEGAL AND NEVER WAS PUT INTO LAW. CONGRESS HAD A CHANCE IN 2006 TO PUT IT INTO LAW BUT THEY DIDNOT. I AM A MILITARY MOM AND KNOW A HECK OF LOT MORE THAN YOU DO. QUIT BELIEVEING WHAT DEMS SAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE LIED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ALL ALONG AND FOOLED THEM SO THEY COULD GET THERE POWER BACK AND THAT IS ALL THEY CARE ABOUT.

    Reign2020: if you’re going to argue this credibly then I think you ought to work it from the other direction. So fine, you believe waterboarding is torture. Can you give us an idea of the most aggressive form of interrogation that *doesn’t* constitute torture? How harshly are we allowed to interrogate? What’s the most severe thing you believe we should have been doing to Abu Zubadaiyah to convince him to talk?

    Erin, here is an amusing (and failed) attempt by Eric Holder to distinguish between SERE training and actual interrogation.

    Erin, you accidently hit caps lock there. It looks silly, so try typing it like a normal adult.

    mcg, All I’m saying is Bush said we didn’t torture people, and the fact is, by the definition of torture, we did. It’s like when Clinton said he did not have sex with Lewinsky. He obviously did, but “by his definition” he didn’t. People shouldn’t just “redefine” words to fit their point of view. All I’m saying is, go ahead, attack Nancy Pelosi. I will too. Just, remember, Bush authorized torture, and then said he didn’t. Right or wrong, he lied.

    Also, as to how far would I go to interrogate someone? Well, that’s a hard question. I can’t make that kind of decision. I mean, not without consulting an ethics advisor, probably a religious figure. But really, I don’t know. Whatever I did, I wouldn’t hide it by playing semantics, and I would face my critic’s like a man.

    Ah, how the reasoning is tortured.

    It is strange that the Laws of War and the Laws of Peace as given by Grotius have been known for centuries, and known any enemy that acts in a warlike fashion falls under them. That is well understood.

    Then under the Great Peace of Westphalia we see how State and Church are given separate domains, due to the high percentage killed doing otherwise being quite abhorrent to us all. From that we fall under the Law of Nations, which, indeed tells us what Nations are, how they act and what our responsibilities are. This, too, is known for centuries by now, though few read of the work itself.

    The modern Hague and Geneva Conventions rest on those understandings, and they do not cover such as those captured, and the direction of one of the greatest Presidents makes this clear and that clarity still exists… if we ever bothered to read the work involved.

    From that we can also gather that those who are called Pirates fall into the class of those who wage Private War, that is understood by Blackstone who gave us this:

    “LASTLY, the crime of piracy, or robbery and depredation upon the high seas, is an offense against the universal law of society; a pirate being, according to Sir Edward Coke,10 hostis humani generis [enemy to mankind]. As therefore he has renounced all the benefits of society and government, and has reduced himself afresh to the savage state of nature, by declaring war against all mankind, all mankind must declare war against him: so that every community has a right, by the rule of self-defense, to inflict that punishment upon him, which every individual would in a state of nature have been otherwise entitled to do, any invasion of his person or personal property.”

    And while we take our Admiralty basis from William, who aptly Conquered, Sir Coke is given right approbrium in our Supreme Court from the earliest days as his reasoning is clean and clear on the matter. Thus as the good and enlightened Christians in Geneva were not castigated for going after those who took over their city, and they were quite brutal and vicious with them, we understand that those who revert to the Laws of Nature are those that have divorced themselves from society and wage war upon all mankind to their own end.

    At any time they can submit to civil law and face tribunal for their heinous actions. When they do not and are captured under the Laws of War, then the Law of Nations rightly puts them outside civil proceedings, save when we needs must make demonstration of them to discourage other savages or those becoming such. If they have information we need, then temporary continuance of their life is necessary.

    KSM, who disdains all laws and authority, tells us he tires of our games of rights and that we should do as we are bidden to do. And yet we quaver and do not. That is not civilized.

    Torture of savage man?

    Shall we prosecute under cruelty to animals?

    That is not asked in jest, but in all seriousness as the Christian foundation of the modern Westphalian Nation State and its directives under the Laws developed by good Christians over centuries, abided by our forefathers at the Founding, by Lincoln and onwards all adhered to them, read their Blackstone and Vattel and understood their duties. The military orders under Lincoln continued on over 30 years past the end of the Civil War… Yet I never thought of him as uncivilized, no matter how brutal the war was that had to be fought.

    How could a good Christian walk away from centuries of understanding, indeed understanding and wisdom that goes back at least as far as the late Bronze Age? Further, actually, if we can read the movements of the ancients correctly. Confronting savage man to protect our society is the basis of our society: disdain it and we are on the road to savagery ourselves.

    I do worry about the impact of getting such information has upon our men and women who must get it. Given the brutal savagery our enemies revert to, I cannot afford them niceness of civil law… unless our reason for putting them on such display is so compelling as to over-rule our good sense and adhering to the civilized laws of war that we know and enjoy for centuries. Our enemies certainly know them… and want nothing of them, which tells me exactly what they are.


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